[mou] Listing Questions

John Quinn jquinn@technicaltoolproducts.com
Sat, 31 Mar 2007 19:57:31 -0500


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To all: 

As a casual question from a casual birder, and so as not to incite ardent
ABA members, is there an official rule for sighting location listing. I
understand the County Line or State Line bird segregation, i.e. I saw the
Black-legged Kittiwake a couple of years ago in Dakota County, where I was
standing, even as it circled from Hennepin to Dakota and back, but is this a
universal rule that should be applied to ever smaller areas? I don't guess
at bird identification so why should I guess about where I saw them? 

Here are my examples:

1.	Today I was birding around Theodore Wirth Lake. As I left my house
and was walking down the driveway a flock of about 35 Tundra Swans flew by
north of me over Theodore Wirth Park. Does this count as a yard bird or as
Theodore Wirth Park bird or none of the above since they were certainly not
from here nor planning to stay.  
2.	Along the same thought process; warblers frequent the tree line
between my home and Theodore Wirth Park. I would like to count them as
Theodore Wirth birds for political reasons, preservation of natural spaces
being the motivator, but technically they are outside the park. The same
with the GHO's that are nesting outside the park but certainly would not be
there if it weren't for the natural space.
3.	If I am birding in a specific area, say Rothsay NWR, and a Prairie
Falcon flies by do I count it as a Rothsay NWR bird or no? Sometimes I can't
calculate the exact boundaries or do linear calculations as to latitude and
longitude while tripping over my scope? What is the realm of certainty one
should strive for when listing. 
4.	What is the air speed velocity of an unladen swallow? OK this is the
only non-serious question.

 

Thanks in advance for your comments.  

 

 

John Quinn

Technical Tool Products, Inc.

7600 W 27th Street

Suite B11

St. Louis Park MN 55427

Office: 952-974-3042

Mobile: 612-518-0663

Website:  <http://www.technicaltoolproducts.com>
www.technicaltoolproducts.com

 

 


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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not to
incite ardent <st1:City w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
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members, is there an official rule for sighting location listing. I =
understand
the County Line or State Line bird segregation, i.e. I saw the =
Black-legged
Kittiwake a couple of years ago in Dakota County, where I was standing, =
even as
it circled from Hennepin to Dakota and back, but is this a universal =
rule that
should be applied to ever smaller areas? I don&#8217;t guess at bird
identification so why should I guess about where I saw them? =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Here are my examples:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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     As I left my house and was walking down the driveway a flock of =
about 35
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this count
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     bird or none of the above since they were certainly not from here =
nor
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face=3DArial><span
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     warblers frequent the tree line between my home and <st1:place =
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would like
     to count them as Theodore Wirth birds for political reasons, =
preservation
     of natural spaces being the motivator, but technically they are =
outside
     the park. The same with the GHO&#8217;s that are nesting outside =
the park
     but certainly would not be there if it weren&#8217;t for the =
natural
     space.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
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face=3DArial><span
     style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>If I am birding in a =
specific area,
     say Rothsay NWR, and a Prairie Falcon flies by do I count it as a =
Rothsay
     NWR bird or no? Sometimes I can&#8217;t calculate the exact =
boundaries or do
     linear calculations as to latitude and longitude while tripping =
over my
     scope? What is the realm of certainty one should strive for when =
listing. <o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
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question.<o:p></o:p></span></font></li>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Thanks in advance for your comments. =
&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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27th
  Street</span></font></st1:address></st1:Street><o:p></o:p></p>

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eet><font
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> =
B11</span></font></st1:address><o:p></o:p></p>

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Louis Park</span></font></st1:City><font
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <st1:State
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w:st=3D"on">55427</st1:PostalCode></span></font></st1:place><o:p></o:p></=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>:
612-518-0663</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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