[mou] [mnbird] Re: WEVI tape discussion

[Bernard P. Friel]

Yes, and I suppose we should all take down our bird feeders too.
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From: Katherine Kottke <kltk at comcast.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 18:40:09 -0500
Cc: <mnbird at lists.mnbird.net>, <mou-net at moumn.org>
Subject: [mnbird] Re: [mou] WEVI tape discussion

To all  Minnesota birders

How does using a tape to call birds differ from using epo to win the Tour de
France or using  steroids to hit home runs?  Perhaps individuals who use a
tape to see a bird should be required to asterisk that sighting on their
life-list and posting.

 Katherine Kottke 

On Jul 29, 2008, at 8:41 AM, douglas chapman wrote:

> Well said. 
> 
> The Cassin's Sparrows which have been found (and confirmed breeding) here in
> South Dakota have not been posted for this reason. It's a bit too bad, but
> understandable since even the ABA magazine "Birding" now calls bird finding a
> "sport."  
> 
> It seems that tapes are our steroids. 
> 
> 
> Doug Chapman 
> Sioux Falls, SD 
> 
> On Jul 29, 2008, at 7:51 AM, Richard Wood wrote:
> 
>> It seems to me that this discussion took place last year about the
>> Yellow-breasted Chat that was at Black Dog Lake, and at the time, I wondered
>> what was the point of everyone getting all upset, because it's just going to
>> happen again. 
>> 
>> The fact is, it's "human nature" for people to act the way that they do. 
>> People are going to want to see a bird that is "rare" when it's posted, and
>> some of them are going to take any means necessary to see it, whether it be
>> to drive their vehicle where they shouldn't (which happened in Maryland
>> recently) or to play tapes, or to throw a rock at a rail and kill it.
>> 
>> I wish we could put an end to this, "we can end this behavior if enough of us
>> post ethics "rules"", because it just isn't going to stop someone from seeing
>> a bird once it has been posted.  As I told a person in Maryland last year
>> that was complaining about birders turning the location of a pair of
>> Long-eared Owls into a circus, "if the original poster didn't want it to come
>> to this, he shouldn't have posted the bird's location".  Maybe we should do
>> that instead of citing "birding ethics" and then having everyone and his
>> brother posting asking us to "go by the rules"?  In my almost 10 years as a
>> birder, I've seen that asking others to "go by the rules" doesn't work.  It
>> doesn't work in other parts of life, so why do we think it will work here?
>> 
>> Richard 
>>   
>> Richard L. Wood, Ph. D.
>> Hastings, MN 
>> rwoodphd at yahoo.com
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Diana Doyle <diana at managingthewaterway.com>
>> To: mattjim at earthlink.net; mou-net at moumn.org; mnbird at lists.mnbird.net
>> Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 8:22:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: [mou] WEVI tape discussion
>> 
>> Are birders also destined to fall victim to Garrett Hardin's tragedy of the
>> commons? It would seem that there is no such thing as "little tape playing"
>> when it is multiplied over all the birders who want to see a particular bird.
>> 
>> I agree with Jim. It's a disservice to the bird and to the person who then
>> regrets sharing their excitement of an unusual bird with the broader birding
>> community. 
>> 
>> We must ask ourselves what our priorities are--if we are first and foremost
>> advocates for birds, their well-being, and their habitat. Ultimately that's
>> what being a birder is all about. 
>> 
>> Diana Doyle 
>> S. Minneapolis 
>> 
>> ------------- 
>> 
>> On Jul 28, 2008, at 16:09 , James Mattsson wrote:
>> 
>> THIS IS A RARE BIRD THAT IS ON TERRITORY WHERE MANY BIRDERS HAVE A CHANCE TO
>> HEAR AND SEE IT !!!!   TAPES SHOULD NOT BE USED "SPARINGLY" OR ANY OTHER WAY
>> !! TAPES CAN ONLY BE HARMFUL TO THE BIRD WHICH MIGHT BE MATED (PREDATION,
>> ENERGY USED TO DEFEND AGAINST NON-EXISTENT NEIGHBORS, ETC), AND MAY PRECLUDE
>> OTHER BIRDERS FROM SEEING/HEARING THE BIRD.
>>   
>> THIS IS WHY I NO LONGER POST BIRDS I FIND THAT I FEEL THAT ARE SUSCEPTIBLE TO
>> TAPE PLAYING. 
>>   
>> HERE IS THE COMPLETE ABA CODE OF ETHICS.
>>   
>> http://www.americanbirding.org/abaethics.htm
>>   
>> Jim 
>> 
>> 
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