[mou] King Rail sound Vs Virginia Rail sound?

[Michael Hendrickson]

Rich:

They are both recordings of a Virginia Rail. The second recording
(kingvirginia2) almost sounded like a Yellow Rail at first. The taps or
clicks were different from what I am use to hearing but in comparing them to
the first recording they are both Virginia Rails.

Mike Hendrickson

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rich Peet" <richpeet@hotmail.com>
To: <KarlBardon@aol.com>; <Wildchough@aol.com>; <mou-net@cbs.umn.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:46 AM
Subject: [mou] King Rail sound Vs Virginia Rail sound?


> Please humor a birder here that has never seen a King Rail in MN.
> In fact I am not sure on how to differentiate the call between the
Virginia
> and the King.
>
> Linked is two files that I had identified as Virginia Rails.  Please
confirm
> they are Virginia and give an indication of the unique part of a King call
> that I should listen for when listening to Rails.
>
> Not a great recording as I did not target this bird and was simply testing
a
> couple microphones.
> recorded 4/18/03, Shurburn WLR, N45.45807, W93.70802, 6:30AM, 30 degrees
F,
> Overcast, Wind east at 5mph, edge of wetland on auto tour route. I have
this
> bird calling for 1 hour.
>
> 285kb download
> http://home.comcast.net/~richpeet/kingvvirginia1.mp3
>
> 712kb download
> http://home.comcast.net/~richpeet/kingvvirginia2.mp3
>
> Rich Peet
>
>
> >From: KarlBardon@aol.com
> >To: Wildchough@aol.com, mou-net@cbs.umn.edu
> >Subject: [mou] Re: [mou] Accidental? No, we're not kidding (very long)
> >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:03:25 EST
> >
> >Either way, I think that Accidental clearly defines the current status of
> >King Rail in Minnesotaâ?"a species which has not been seen since 1992 and
> >is likely
> >to occur again only at very infrequent intervals. When MORC completed the
> >1999 checklist, King Rail had been seen in only three of the last ten
> >years, but
> >we erred on the side of positivity, and defined this species as Casual.
The
> >last nesting attempt was in 1983 and the last positive breeding was in
> >1976.
> >This species has not been Regular since the 1978 edition of our
checklist,
> >so a
> >move to Accidental is not at all unexpected or surprising. What
alternative
> >status does Russell suggest for King Rail? Casual? Regular? Extirpated?
> >Extinct?
> >These are the only choices.
> >
> >Russell acts surprised that King Rail has changed status in the last 20
or
> >30
> >years, but think of all the species which have changed significantly in
> >that
> >amount of time (on the 1978 checklist, House Finch was considered
> >Hypothetical, Baird's Sparrow was Regular but is now Accidental, and
Lesser
> >Black-backed
> >Gull did not even occur on the checklist even thought it is now Regular).
> >
> >Russell claims King Rails may breed in South Dakota, but the current
status
> >of this species in South Dakota is Accidental (!), with only two breeding
> >records, the last in 1974 (Tallman, Swanson and Palmer, 2002). Although
> >Russell
> >also claims King Rails breed in Iowa and Wisconsin, a quick internet
check
> >showed
> >this species to be both Endangered and Casual in Iowa, and to be rare in
> >Wisconsin with Special Concern or "imperiled" breeding status (the
current
> >Wisconsin Breeding Bird Atlas does not show any confirmed breeding
> >reports). Thus, he
> >has painted a picture of King Rails breeding all around Minnesota based
on
> >faulty information.
> >
>
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