[mou] Wilson's Snipe? RQD? >> Common vs. Wilson's Snipe?
Chris Fagyal
Chris.Fagyal@udlp.com
Wed, 06 Apr 2005 14:51:17 -0500
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The following information taken from the web page Ocean Wanderers presents =
how to separate common snipe (Eurasian species) from Wilson's Snipe (N =
American):
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Separation from Common Snipe=20
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(1) As a whole, Wilson's Snipe is usually colder toned than Common Snipe =
but has a darker brown on the mantle.=20
(2) The underparts are much whiter and paler.=20
(3) The scapular feathers of Wilson's Snipe have relatively narrow white =
fringes.=20
(4) The tertials are dark and finely marked with gradually fading =
transverse bars.=20
(5) The lesser and median coverts are intricately patterned with white-tipp=
ed dark-centred feathers, which contrast with the dark blackish-brown =
greater covert bar.=20
(6) The head pattern is similar but the rear supercilium tends to be =
narrower on Wilson's Snipe and broadens more in front of the eye.=20
(7) Wilson's Snipe is rather coarsely patterned on the neck sides with a =
brown-ginger wash mostly confined to the mid and upper breast.=20
(8) The flank barring in Wilson's Snipe is very striking and quite =
extensive which is pronounced by the white background coloration of the =
flanks, which are usually buff-brown in Common Snipe.=20
(9) Wilson's Snipe usually has 16 tail feathers. Common Snipe usually have =
14 tail feathers, although occasionally 16 or 18.=20
(10) In Wilson's Snipe the outer tail feathers are white with black bars =
and are less well-defined and duller in Common Snipe.=20
(11) The shape of the tail feather is diagnostic with Wilson's Snipe =
showing a more parallel and square-ended tail whereas Common has round-tipp=
ed feathers.=20
(12) In flight, Common Snipe shows rather pointed wings.=20
(13) The bill of Common Snipe often looks longer than Wilson's Snipe.=20
(14) Wilson's Snipe has a shorter tail and in flight the toes are visible =
just beyond the tail tip.=20
(15) In Wilson's Snipe the white tips to the secondaries are narrower with =
broader white tips to the primary coverts.=20
(16) Wilson's Snipe has barred lesser and median underwing-coverts giving =
the impression of a darker underwing.
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I would imagine there might be records for Common Snipe in Alaska, and =
possibly some of the northern East Coast states that have had some vagrant =
European shorebirds, such as Maine or Massachussetts. I would say it is =
99.999999% unlikely that we will ever have a Common Snipe in Minnesota.
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Cheers,
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Chris Fagyal
Senior Software Engineer
United Defense, L.P. ASD
Fridley, MN=20
(763) 572-5320
chris.fagyal@udlp.com
>>> "MARTELL, Mark" <MMARTELL@audubon.org> 04/06/2005 14:31:00 PM >>>
The AOU Checklist of North American birds (the official keeper of these =
things) shows both the Wilson's Snipe (Gallinago delicata) and the Common =
Snipe (Gallinag gallinago). Further digging shows that the AOU decided in =
2002 that the Wilson's Snipe was a different species than the Common Snipe =
(which occurs in the old world as well) and split it off. Thus some of the =
older reference's may not have noted the change.
Mark Martell
Director of Bird Conservation
Audubon Minnesota
2357 Ventura Drive #106
St. Paul, MN 55125
651-739-9332
651-731-1330 (FAX)
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From: mou-net-admin@cbs.umn.edu [mailto:mou-net-admin@cbs.umn.edu]On
Behalf Of J Ferguson
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 1:22 PM
To: bice0004@umn.edu; mou-net@cbs.umn.edu
Subject: RE: [mou] Wilson's Snipe? RQD? >> Common vs. Wilson's Snipe?
Sorry, Andy...no answer, but I have similar question for someone/everyone. =
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My Nat'l Geo Birds 3rd ed. mentions the "Common Snipe" but no Wilson's. =
The=20
Sibley Eastern mentions the "Wilson's Snipe", as does the MOU MN birds=20
checklist, but no Common. The Latin species names are different (according=
=20
to the two books), though the genus is the same. Are these really the =
same=20
bird? Subspecies? Do we only get one kind of snipe in MN? That is, is =
a=20
snipe (that would be found in MN) just a snipe?
Thanks!
Jonathan Ferguson
>From: "Andrew D. Bicek" <bice0004@umn.edu>
>To: <mou-net@cbs.umn.edu>
>Subject: [mou] Wilson's Snipe? RQD?
>Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 10:05:19 -0500
>
>I was just entering data in the new online field trip report entry =
form,=20
>and
>I couldn't find the listing for wilson's snipe. I looked under regular, =
it
>wasn't there, I looked under rare, and it wasn't there. I found it under
>all and it needed a request for documentation. What's the deal here? =20
>Snipe
>are common, why do we need to formally write them up?
>
>
>
>Funny too, is that for Wright county, where I saw the snipe yesterday, =
it=20
>is
>listed as common on the MOU Wright cty checklist.
>
>
>
>Is this perhaps because it recently changed names and needs to be=20
>documented
>under the new name?
>
>
>
>Andy Bicek
>
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<DIV>The following information taken from the web page Ocean Wanderers =
presents how to separate common snipe (Eurasian species) from Wilson's =
Snipe (N American):</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Separation from Common Snipe <BR>-------------------------------------=
-------------</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>(1) As a whole, Wilson's Snipe is usually colder toned than Common =
Snipe but has a darker brown on the mantle. <BR>(2) The underparts are =
much whiter and paler. <BR>(3) The scapular feathers of Wilson's Snipe =
have relatively narrow white fringes. <BR>(4) The tertials are dark and =
finely marked with gradually fading transverse bars. <BR>(5) The lesser =
and median coverts are intricately patterned with white-tipped dark-centred=
feathers, which contrast with the dark blackish-brown greater covert bar. =
<BR>(6) The head pattern is similar but the rear supercilium tends to be =
narrower on Wilson's Snipe and broadens more in front of the eye. <BR>(7) =
Wilson's Snipe is rather coarsely patterned on the neck sides with a =
brown-ginger wash mostly confined to the mid and upper breast. <BR>(8) The =
flank barring in Wilson's Snipe is very striking and quite extensive which =
is pronounced by the white background coloration of the flanks, which are =
usually buff-brown in Common Snipe. <BR>(9) Wilson's Snipe usually has 16 =
tail feathers. Common Snipe usually have 14 tail feathers, although =
occasionally 16 or 18. <BR>(10) In Wilson's Snipe the outer tail feathers =
are white with black bars and are less well-defined and duller in Common =
Snipe. <BR>(11) The shape of the tail feather is diagnostic with Wilson's =
Snipe showing a more parallel and square-ended tail whereas Common has =
round-tipped feathers. <BR>(12) In flight, Common Snipe shows rather =
pointed wings. <BR>(13) The bill of Common Snipe often looks longer than =
Wilson's Snipe. <BR>(14) Wilson's Snipe has a shorter tail and in flight =
the toes are visible just beyond the tail tip. <BR>(15) In Wilson's Snipe =
the white tips to the secondaries are narrower with broader white tips to =
the primary coverts. <BR>(16) Wilson's Snipe has barred lesser and median =
underwing-coverts giving the impression of a darker underwing.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I would imagine there might be records for Common Snipe in Alaska, =
and possibly some of the northern East Coast states that have had some =
vagrant European shorebirds, such as Maine or Massachussetts. I =
would say it is 99.999999% unlikely that we will ever have a Common Snipe =
in Minnesota.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Cheers,<BR></DIV>
<P> </P>
<P> </P>
<P> </P>
<P>Chris Fagyal<BR>Senior Software Engineer<BR>United Defense, L.P. =
ASD<BR>Fridley, MN <BR>(763) 572-5320<BR><A href=3D"mailto:chris.fagyal@udl=
p.com">chris.fagyal@udlp.com</A></P>
<P><BR>>>> "MARTELL, Mark" <MMARTELL@audubon.org> 04/06/2005=
14:31:00 PM >>><BR></P>
<DIV style=3D"COLOR: #000000">The AOU Checklist of North American birds =
(the official keeper of these things) shows both the Wilson's Snipe =
(Gallinago delicata) and the Common Snipe (Gallinag gallinago). Further =
digging shows that the AOU decided in 2002 that the Wilson's Snipe was a =
different species than the Common Snipe (which occurs in the old world as =
well) and split it off. Thus some of the older reference's may not have =
noted the change.<BR><BR>Mark Martell<BR>Director of Bird Conservation<BR>A=
udubon Minnesota<BR>2357 Ventura Drive #106<BR>St. Paul, MN 55125<BR>651-73=
9-9332<BR>651-731-1330 (FAX)<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From:=
mou-net-admin@cbs.umn.edu [<A href=3D"mailto:mou-net-admin@cbs.umn.edu]On"=
>mailto:mou-net-admin@cbs.umn.edu]On</A><BR>Behalf Of J Ferguson<BR>Sent: =
Wednesday, April 06, 2005 1:22 PM<BR>To: bice0004@umn.edu; mou-net@cbs.umn.=
edu<BR>Subject: RE: [mou] Wilson's Snipe? RQD? >> Common vs. =
Wilson's Snipe?<BR><BR><BR>Sorry, Andy...no answer, but I have similar =
question for someone/everyone. <BR>My Nat'l Geo Birds 3rd ed. =
mentions the "Common Snipe" but no Wilson's. The <BR>Sibley Eastern =
mentions the "Wilson's Snipe", as does the MOU MN birds <BR>checklist, but =
no Common. The Latin species names are different (according <BR>to =
the two books), though the genus is the same. Are these really the =
same <BR>bird? Subspecies? Do we only get one kind of snipe in =
MN? That is, is a <BR>snipe (that would be found in MN) just a =
snipe?<BR><BR>Thanks!<BR><BR>Jonathan Ferguson<BR><BR>>From: "Andrew D. =
Bicek" <bice0004@umn.edu><BR>>To: <mou-net@cbs.umn.edu><BR>&=
gt;Subject: [mou] Wilson's Snipe? RQD?<BR>>Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 =
10:05:19 -0500<BR>><BR>>I was just entering data in the new online =
field trip report entry form, <BR>>and<BR>>I couldn't find the =
listing for wilson's snipe. I looked under regular, it<BR>>wasn't =
there, I looked under rare, and it wasn't there. I found it =
under<BR>>all and it needed a request for documentation. What's =
the deal here? <BR>>Snipe<BR>>are common, why do we need to =
formally write them up?<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>Funny too, is that =
for Wright county, where I saw the snipe yesterday, it <BR>>is<BR>>li=
sted as common on the MOU Wright cty checklist.<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>=
>Is this perhaps because it recently changed names and needs to be =
<BR>>documented<BR>>under the new name?<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>&g=
t;Andy Bicek<BR>><BR><BR><BR>___________________________________________=
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