[mnbird] Re: [mou] Why two lists?
Chris Fagyal
Chris.Fagyal@udlp.com
Thu, 24 Mar 2005 09:13:09 -0500
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I don't find Steve's post "snotty" at all, but rather very informative
for people new to either list as to the focus of the lists. I've been
on both of these lists going on 6 years now, and i've birded with Steve
several times, and the guy doesn't have a bad bone in his body. Rather
he's one of the nicer guys i've ever met.
As for the policy of the MOU list, its been explicity stated several
times, and never in a way that I would consider "snotty", but rather as
Sharon has pointed out, it's a focused list server on a somewhat narrow
topic (but not nearly as narrow as some, as also pointed out by Sharon).
For people who do not like the focus, they don't necessarily need to
participate, though the MOU doesn't discourage *anyone* from
participating. I find this to be an advantage of the "two list"
situation that currently exists in Minnesota, because there is a list
that should suit everyone. It could, you realize, but a lot more
disparate. Florida has many more than 2 list servers, and California
has upwards of a dozen for birding.
This "fowarding is repugnant" comment is way out of bounds, and as a
matter of fact, nothing posted on any list server is copyrighted unless
specifically stated, either in the guildelines of the list server, or by
the poster him/herself. Maybe you should do some reading and do some
research before you go off your rocker like this and post such nasty
comments towards people you don't even know.
Chris Fagyal
Senior Software Engineer
United Defense, L.P. ASD
Fridley, MN
(763) 572-5320
chris.fagyal@udlp.com
>>> "Chuck Cole" <cncole@earthlink.net> 03/24/2005 02:29:50 AM >>>
That snotty "go elsewhere welcome" needs to be posted explicitly on the
MOU list web site if it's the policy of the MOU list. That is not what
the list intro actually requires or directs at present. Frogs would be
off-topic on each of these two bird lists. Monitors doing some
forwarding is repugnant, IMHO. Some would say that violates some
copyright regulations concerning author's rights as well.
Chuck
-----Original Message-----
From: mnbird-admin@lists.mnbird.net
[mailto:mnbird-admin@lists.mnbird.net]On Behalf Of Steve Weston
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:57 AM
To: cncole@earthlink.net; MNbird
Subject: [mnbird] Re: [mou] Why two lists?
Mou-net is for postings that would be of interest for serious birder.
I post to MOU-Net sightings of unusual birds, the newsletter and
meetings of MRVAC (Minnesota River Valley Audubon Chapter), and very
little else. I post to MNbird any Mou-net post plus posts that might be
of interest to the wider community of birders. For example I might post
to MNbird the results of a frog survey and how to recognize the calls of
the frogs found. These natural observations would not be welcomed and
would be off topic for MOU-net. While some listers are put off by the
attempts of the MOU-net to keep the focus narrow and on topic, that is
the mission of the list serve. New birders should join MN-bird, which
welcomes inexperienced observations and questions. The posts of those
birders who choose to join only MOU-net, will be fowarded to MN-bird by
monitors who watch for such posts of interest.
Steve Weston on Quigley Lake in Eagan
sweston2@comcast.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Cole
To: MNbird ; MOU
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:43 AM
Subject: [mou] Why two lists?
Seems really silly to have two lists and most folks making double
posts. Since the double posting seems so regular, the old political
split or whatever must be quite stale by now. Is there any good reason
to continue double postings? Why not rig one list to be an active
standby in case the other one fails? ... or make sure every message
gets copied so we only need to see them once.
Chuck
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<DIV>I don't find Steve's post "snotty" at all, but rather very informative=
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and the guy doesn't have a bad bone in his body. Rather he's one of =
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nicer guys i've ever met. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>As for the policy of the MOU list, its been explicity stated several =
times,=20
and never in a way that I would consider "snotty", but rather as Sharon =
has=20
pointed out, it's a focused list server on a somewhat narrow topic (but =
not=20
nearly as narrow as some, as also pointed out by Sharon). For people =
who=20
do not like the focus, they don't necessarily need to participate, though =
the=20
MOU doesn't discourage *anyone* from participating. I find this to =
be an=20
advantage of the "two list" situation that currently exists in Minnesota,=
=20
because there is a list that should suit everyone. It could, you =
realize,=20
but a lot more disparate. Florida has many more than 2 list servers, =
and=20
California has upwards of a dozen for birding.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>This "fowarding is repugnant" comment is way out of bounds, and as a =
matter=20
of fact, nothing posted on any list server is copyrighted unless specifical=
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stated, either in the guildelines of the list server, or by the poster=20
him/herself. Maybe you should do some reading and do some research =
before=20
you go off your rocker like this and post such nasty comments towards =
people you=20
don't even know.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Chris Fagyal<BR>Senior Software Engineer<BR>United Defense, L.P.=20
ASD<BR>Fridley, MN <BR>(763) 572-5320<BR><A=20
href=3D"mailto:chris.fagyal@udlp.com">chris.fagyal@udlp.com</A><BR><BR>>=
>>=20
"Chuck Cole" <cncole@earthlink.net> 03/24/2005 02:29:50 AM=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D077031708-24032005><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff>Th=
at snotty=20
"go elsewhere welcome" needs to be posted explicitly on the MOU list web =
site if=20
it's the policy of the MOU list. That is not what the list=20
intro actually requires or directs at present. Frogs would=20
be off-topic on each of these two bird lists. Monitors doing =
some=20
forwarding is repugnant, IMHO. Some would say that violates some =
copyright=20
regulations concerning author's rights as well.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D077031708-24032005><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D077031708-24032005><FONT face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff>Chuck</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
mnbird-admin@lists.mnbird.net [mailto:mnbird-admin@lists.mnbird.net]<B>On=
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Behalf Of </B>Steve Weston<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 24, 2005 =
1:57=20
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[mnbird] Re:=20
[mou] Why two lists?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Mou-net is for postings that would be of interest for serious=20
birder. I post to MOU-Net sightings of unusual birds, the=20
newsletter and meetings of MRVAC (Minnesota River Valley Audubon =
Chapter), and=20
very little else. I post to MNbird any Mou-net post plus posts =
that=20
might be of interest to the wider community of birders. For =
example I=20
might post to MNbird the results of a frog survey and how to recognize =
the=20
calls of the frogs found. These natural observations =
would=20
not be welcomed and would be off topic for MOU-net. While some =
listers=20
are put off by the attempts of the MOU-net to keep the focus narrow and =
on=20
topic, that is the mission of the list serve. New birders=20
should join MN-bird, which welcomes inexperienced observations=
=20
and questions. The posts of those birders who choose to join =
only=20
MOU-net, will be fowarded to MN-bird by monitors who watch for such =
posts=20
of interest.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Steve Weston on Quigley Lake in Eagan <BR><A=20
href=3D"mailto:sweston2@comcast.net">sweston2@comcast.net</A> =
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<A title=3Dcncole@earthlink.net href=3D"mailto:cncole@earthlink.net">Ch=
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Cole</A> </DIV>
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title=3Dmou-net@cbs.umn.edu href=3D"mailto:mou-net@cbs.umn.edu">MOU</A>=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, March 23, 2005 =
12:43=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [mou] Why two =
lists?</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D879150905-23032005><FONT face=3DArial>Seems really =
silly to=20
have two lists and most folks making double posts. Since the =
double=20
posting seems so regular, the old political split or whatever must be =
quite=20
stale by now. Is there any good reason to continue double=20
postings? Why not rig one list to be an active standby in case =
the=20
other one fails? ... or make sure every message gets copied so =
we only=20
need to see them once.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D879150905-23032005><FONT=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D879150905-23032005><FONT face=3DArial>Chuck =20=
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