[mou] My response!
Mike Hendrickson
smithville4@charter.net
Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:51:39 -0600
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From: Tom Crumpton=20
To: Mike Hendrickson ; MOU-Net=20
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [mou] Sax Zim Bog Sunday
Mike=20
The loggers have to freeze the road down before they can move in. One =
rule of thumb (a fairly accurate one) is that you have to have the road =
plowed before January 15th in order to get sufficient frost in the =
ground. That is enough frost to move trucks that weigh 80,000 plus =
pounds when loaded across the bog. =20
So "Your loggers" will not be moving in for a little while yet.
They might not even move in this year. =20
This is the hardest winter loggers have seen in Northern MN in the =
25+ years I have been working the bogs here. =20
The DNR has a natural heritage database that lists significant orchids =
and other natural heritage info. they deem significant. Contact Sharron =
Nelson and know the legal description for where you want data for. If =
anyone discovers things they think maybe should be listed they can let =
the DNR know I would suggest the wildlife manager for the local area. I =
am a private consultant with some knowledge of the state. By the way =
what orchids are you referring to???? Why is this bog you describe =
unique? =20
THIS BOG LOCATED ALONG MCDAVITT ROAD IS NOT JUST UNIQUED TO ME BUT TO =
MANY BIRDERS FROM ALL OVER THE U.S. WHO VISITED THIS BOG TO LOOK FOR THE =
THREE-TOED WOODPECKER AND BLACK-BACKED WOODPECKERS. MANY ALSO SEARCHED =
THIS AREA FOR BOREAL CHICKADEES AND ALSO FOR ALL THE OTHER BOREAL =
SPECIES THAT NEST HERE. SO ITS UNIQUED FOR MANY REASONS OTHER THAN MY =
REASONS.
I would suggest that your chances of stopping the current logging are =
one in a million. There is a state forestry office in Cotton FYI a Mr. =
Danzl works there I believe. Your best to call ahead if you want =
someone to be there when you arrive. That office is supervised out of =
Duluth or Cloquet. Your legislative representatives would be your best =
bet (but don't tell anyone I said so).
THANKS I WILL CALL THESE PEOPLE AND ALSO LAURA ERICKSON EMAILED ME AND =
SHE IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS LOGGING EFFORTS IN HER NEXT RADIO =
PROGRAM. LAURA'S RADIO SHOW "FOR THE BIRDS" ATTRACTS HUNDREDS IF NOT =
THOUSANDS OF BIRDERS FROM ALL OVER. I WILL ALSO CONTACT SAM COOK AND =
SEE IF HE IS INTERESTED IN DOING A STORY ON THIS LOGGING. =20
The reality of the picture you present is that logging created almost =
all of the wildlife habitat, roads and trails that you use to earn money =
guiding birders.=20
EXPLAIN HOW LOGGING HAS CREATED A BOG TO ME ESPECIALLY A FLOATING BOG? =
I MIGHT HAVE OT QUESTION YOU ABOUT THE ROADS SINCE MOST IF NOT ALL OF =
THEM ARE CROSS SECTION ROADS THAT RUN EAST WEST AND NORTH SOUTH IN MILE =
SECTIONS. THERE IS NO TRAILS UP THERE EXCEPT THE SNOW MOBILE TRAIL OVER =
BY TOIVOLA.
Logging and the associated industries (paper, OSB board and lumber) =
are still a large part of northern Minnesotas economy.
Granted guiding and servicing bird watchers is a growing segment. =20
When you attack other independent people and employers its a bad =
reflection on you. Loggers are pretty independent, most of the ones =
that have survived are pretty good and conscientious about their jobs. =
I have watched the decline of the small farmer (the extinction of the =
dairy farmer in this area) and I am glad that there are still =
independent people that survive through hard work as well as brains =
(loggers). The number of logging operations has declined over 50% in =
the last 28 years as well. Loggers capacity to harvest wood has =
increased substantially in that same time frame. Less employees and =
more debt for equipment (at least the banks get richer). =20
I NEVER SAID I WAS ANTI LOGGING DID I? I AM THOUGH CONCERN ABOUT =
LOSING HABITAT THAT I KNOW IS VERY FRAGILE. I ALSO READ THAT BOGS IN THE =
NORTHERN MINNESOTA ARE DECLINING. I WORKED WITH PEOPLE WHO LOGGED IN =
THE WINTER WHEN THEY GOT LAYED OFF DURING THE WINTER AS A ROOFER. I =
KNOW LOGGERS AND YES THEY ARE GOOD HARD WORKING PEOPLE BUT AGAIN I AM =
CONCERN THAT TO MUCH OF THE BOG IS GETTING LOGGED OUT IN SAX ZIM. IS =
THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT?
Logging and the associated industrial value added jobs are a large =
segment of the better paying jobs in certain parts of Northern =
Minnesota.
The forests of Northern Mn are a renewable resource. How many acres =
of forest are lost to the sprawl of cities and small site development =
(this includes the conversion of farm land (that was once forest)). I =
think you will find that this causes a much greater loss of forests and =
habitat in MN than logging. =20
Maybe I should complain and say the city should grow up instead of =
out????? yeah right.
There is no question logging changes wildlife habitat. What hurts one =
species favors another. =20
Most Northern Hawk owls I have seen have been pointed out to me =
by loggers on fresh cutovers.
Boreal Chickadees seem more prevalent in black spruce that is =
15-30 years old than in older stands.
Is the increase in rose breasted grosbeaks where I live =
attributable to the increase in aspen 12-25 years old??? =20
Is the increase in indigo buntings attributable to the =
increase in 6-15 year old aspen??
AHHH BOREAL CHICKADEES IN THE SAX ZIM BOG ARE ASSOCIATED WITH BOGS =
THAT HAVE CEDARS, BLACK SPRUCE AND TAMARACKS. THERE IS NO 15-30 YEAR OLD =
STAND OF BLACK SPRUCE IN THE BOG ITS A MIX BOG. NORTHERN HAWK OWLS ARE =
NOT LIVING OR NESTING IN A CUT OR LOGGED OUT AREA IN MINNESOTA. THERE =
ARE ONLY A HANDFUL OF NESTING RECORDS IN MINNESOTA. IF LOGGERS SAW THESE =
OWLS IN THE CUT OUT AREAS THEY MAY OF BEEN USING THESE OPEN AREAS FOR =
HUNTING PURPOSES. =20
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I can imagine the impression you left with the people from Ill. It is =
to bad it was such a one sided one.
THE PEOPLE I GUIDED NOR THE PEOPLE I SAW THERE (10-15 OTHER BIRDERS) =
NEVER MAY ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE LOGGING OR POTENTIAL LOGGING IN THIS =
AREA. SO THERE WAS NO ONE SIDED ARGUEMENTS BEING MADE.
There is a million acre conference in Duluth the second w/e of =
February. The focus of the conference will be forestry and wildlife. =
It would be an opportunity for you to learn a broader perspective and it =
is in your home town I believe.
If your so anti logging maybe you should buy land and protect it. =
There is a sustainable forest incentive act (SFIA) program that will pay =
roughly $4.32 per acre per year to help you afford to keep it.
WHERE IN THE HELL DID I EVER MENTIONED IN MY EMAIL I WAS ANTI LOGGING? =
OH BECAUSE I CARE ABOUT A CERTAIN BOG THAT ISABOUT TO BE LOGGED OUT YOU =
ARE ASSUMING I AM A TREE HUGGER OR RADICAL ENVIRONMENTALIST. YOU ARE =
REACHING ON THIS STATEMENT OR COMMENTS ABOUT ME AS A PERSON AND MY =
BELIEFS!
But if you want to manage it (which may include logging) let me know I =
will help you get the best price for your wood and we can manage it for =
whatever species (be it trees or wildlife) you would like that is =
suitable for the area. I work on a percentage basis (of timber sale =
receipts) usually. Therefore it will not cost you a penny out of your =
pocket and it will probably be very lucrative. Let me know soon though =
because I am booked into summer with writing forest and wildlife =
management plans (as well as timber sales) for landowners who desire to =
manage their lands. Timber sale receipts are subject to capital gain =
tax rates and the basis can be subtracted from income also.
The bird report from the borderland (beautiful Rainy River)
STILL HOSTING
60+ evening grosbeaks (here AM and well into PM)
good numbers of pine grosbeaks,=20
downy and hairy wood peckers,=20
pine siskins
chickadees,=20
nuthatches (both kinds),=20
eagles (river is wide open a very rare occurrence in January)
occasional gray jay
KEEP ENJOYING THOSE EVENING GROSBEAKS BECAUSE OF THE CONSTANT HABITAT =
LOSS TO THESE BIRDS YOUR 60+ THIS YEAR WILL NO DOUBT SLIDE TO 20+ A FEW =
YEARS FROM NOW!
Mike,
Last year you ranted about local people ragging on you and others for =
setting people up on county roads with spotting scopes, cameras and =
binoculars to look at local peoples bird feeders. I kind of get the =
feeling you probably did not ask permission as a courtesy first =
(because you figured you could be on a public road and do what ever you =
wanted). If people set up cameras with huge lenses and spotting scopes =
outside my house without asking I might be a little pissed. If I was =
elderly I would probably be paranoid or scared. =20
Most people live rurally for a variety of reasons. =20
One of which is privacy.
Another is to enjoy wildlife (Bird feeder).
I would not fault those people for one second for calling the police =
about peeping Mike's or harassment. I am pretty sure they would be =
successful in pursuing a court order in keeping you and your customers =
away from their homes (but I am not a lawyer). I believe the road =
safety issue was addressed last year.
Road safety on many roads is an issue in MN especially in the winter =
time. Roads where logging trucks haul and local people travel should be =
left passable, clear and safe when stopping for viewing birds. =20
WHAT IN THE HELL DOES THIS HAS TO DO WITH MY TOPIC ABOUT INFORMING =
PEOPLE ABOUT THE LOGGING IN THE SAX ZIM BOG? FIRST I WAS TALKING ABOUT =
ST. LOUIS COUNTY ROAD 7 WHICH IS A TWO LANE ROAD THAT LINKS MANY OF THE =
COMMUNITIES WITH EVELETH AND THE EVELETH MINE. VERY RARELY IF EVER =
LOGGING TRUCKS USE THIS ROAD AS THEY USE HIGHWAY 53 FOR THEIR TRAVEL =
WHICH THEN THE LOGGERS USE HIGHWAY 33 TO CLOQUET TO THE PAPER MILL WHERE =
MY BROTHER-IN LAW WORKS AND WHERE I BUILT A LOT OF THEIR FLAT ROOFS WHEN =
THEY EXPANDED ( ANTI LOGGING ! RIGHT). I ALSO CALLED THE COUNTY SHERIFF =
TO LOOK INTO MY RIGHTS TO USE A PUBLIC ROAD TO VIEW WILDLIFE AND I FOUND =
OUT IT WAS WITHIN MY RIGHT. I ALSO USED THE 8 FOOT SHOULDERS TO PARK MY =
CAR WHEN I STOPPED TO LOOK AT THEIR FEEDERS. THERE WAS NEVER A ISSUE OF =
PUBLIC SAFETY OR KEEPING THE ROAD OPEN. OVIOUSLY TOM COMPTON NEVER =
VISITED THIS AREA LAST YEAR OR ELSE HE WOULD OF GOTTEN HIS FACTS RIGHT! =
I GOT RESPONSES ABOUT THAT EMAIL AND BY THE WAY TOMMY I GOT 2 PEOPLE WHO =
WERE UPSET WITH MY EMAIL AND THE REST THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD EMAIL AND I =
SPOKE THE TRUTH ABOUT THIS PARTICUALR RESIDENT. THIS WOMAN THOUGHT =
VISITING BIRDERS WERE STEALING HER MAIL! ALSO BIRDERS BY FAR =
CONTRIBUTED SO MUCH MONEY TO THIS AREA THAT CAFES THAT NORMALLY LAYED =
OFF EMPOYEES WERE WORKING ALL WINTER LONG. SOME PLACES LIKE MEADOWLANDS =
WERE HAPPY WITH ALL THE BIRDERS. I JUST WAS ANNOYED BY THE FEW EGG HEADS =
THAT TOSSED BEER BOTTLES AT BIRDERS, SWERVED AT THEM AND HONKED THEIR =
HORNS, STOPPED BY THEM AND GLARED AT THEM WHOLE SHAKING A FIST AT THEM. =
SOME SHOT SHOT GUNS OUTSIDE TO SCARE THEM OFF THE PUBLIC ROADS. OVERALL =
HUNDREDS OF BIRDERS ENJOYED THEMSELVES UP IN THE SAX ZIM BOG.=20
I AM FAIRLY CERTAIN YOU JUST BROUGHT THIS UP TO JUST PISS ME OFF AND =
TURN THE ATTENTION AWAY FROM LOGGING BUT TO ME INSTEAD. WHY IS THAT?
I realize full well that the majority of people on this list serve =
might see things Mike's way. It is good to have people who are a little =
radical (or loud) to keep our perspectives open and to educate us as to =
different viewpoints. I guess that is part of my reason for answering =
his email. The forestry profession has not educated people to the =
degree they should have. It is accepted that foresters were the first =
environmentalists (aldo leopold, I might argue that natives or =
aboriginals in other areas were). Many environmental organizations =
mislead and misinform to scare people into supporting their causes. =20
Scare tactics, sensationalism and polarized viewpoints seem to be the =
way things are done more commonly now. =20
WAS MY EMAIL A SCARE TACTIC OR WAS I JUST REPORTING A EVENT THAT MAY =
EFFECT ALL OF US? I AM FAIRLY CERTAIN I WAS JUST REPORTING A EVENT IN =
THE SAX ZIM BOG AND I WAS LOOKING FOR SOME HELP FROM THOSE THAT MIGHT BE =
JUST AS CONCERN AS I. THIS AREA IS LIKE MY BACKYARD. I SPEND SO MUCH =
TIME UP HERE AND I LOVE IT. I REMEMBER THE TUNNEL EFFECT OF THE TREES =
AT THE BEND OF OWL AVENUE, I REMEMBER THE CEDAR STANDS AND SPRUCE STANDS =
ALONG 133. I REMEMBER THE SPRUCE AND TAMARACKS ALONG STONE LAKE ROAD =
THAT WAS HOME TO CONN WARBLERS AND BLACK-BACKED WOODPECKERS. I AM TIRED =
OF STANDING AROUND AND SEEING PLACES I WAS ONCE KNEW TO BE FLATTEN OUT =
FOR TOILET PAPER! HELL THE WOOD CANNOT BE THAT GREAT SINCE MOST OF IT =
WAS INFECTED WITH SPRUCE BUD WORM. I KNOW TOM IS GOING TO CREDIT THAT =
ALL THE TOILET PAPER COMES FROM THE WOOD FROM SAX ZIM. I JUST WANT MY =
LITTLE PIECE OF THE BOG TO BE LEFT ALONG! WHAT IN THE HELL IS WRONG =
WITH THAT!
TOM YOU TOOK A LITTLE EMAIL AND MADE IT INTO SOME HUGE ISSUE AND ITS =
NOT. ALL I WAS DOING WAS SHARING THE EVENTS OF WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE =
BOG! A PLACE THAT OVIOUSLY YOU DO NOT CARE ABOUT. I DO AND I KNOW OTHERS =
DO AS WELL.
Fortunately I lead a protected (insulated) life. I do host bird =
watchers (best place in state for evening grosbeaks)(also fisher people) =
and profesional photographers occasionally so contact me if your in the =
neighborhood (350 miles no. of cities). You will not find my feeders =
adjacent to any public roadway.
THERE ARE A LOT OF FEEDERS IN SAX ZIM AND IN DULUTH THAT HOST EVENING =
GROSBEAKS. PLACES LIKE ISABELLA HAS EVENING GROSBEAKS AND ALSO KIM RISEN =
AND CINDY RISEN HAVE A GREAT FEEDER THAT HOST EVENING GROSBEAKS. YOU DO =
NOT HAVE TO TRAVEL 300-400 MILES TO SEE THESE BIRDS!!
I own my own business and am a private forestry and wildlife (this =
includes birds and other species) consultant. I assist people with =
managing their lands and have worked in Northern MN for over 25 years. =
I also do some limited teaching and guiding in natural resources. I =
have walked in bogs for 25 plus years (maybe I am nuts when I reflect on =
that fact).
Woods & Wildlife Forestry & Real Estate Services
Have a great week
Tom Crumpton
Please excuse my long defense and attempt at educating people who have =
not had the opportunity to live, work, learn and coexist with the =
surroundings that I have had.=20
Mike Hendrickson wrote:
Was out guiding a couple from Illinois.
Birds seen:
-Northern Hawk Owl along Stone Lake Rd and McDavitt Rd.
-Boreal Chickadees along Co. Rd 52
-Gray Jays (every where)
-Northern Shrike
-Snow Buntings along Co. 7. A small flock of 30 1/4 mi. north of =
Byrne's Greenhouse & a flock of 150 at the Malmberg Sod Farms south of =
Byrne's Greenhouse. These were seen from 3-4pm
-Pine Grosbeaks & Evening Grosbeaks, Common Redpolls at a few =
feeders
-Common Redpoll along Blue Spruce Rd. A large flock of 200+ birds =
feeding on the Tamaracks.
* The Black-backed Woodpeckers that were reported several times =
along McDavitt. Rd (2.5 miles north of Co. Rd 28-Sax Rd) were not found =
by my group nor all the other birders that tried to locate these birds.
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This unique (????) bog along McDavitt Rd. is in DANGER! Many of =
those that hiked around this area last year remember that on the east =
side opposite of all those snowshoe trails was a open corridor into the =
bog. This corridor is the same corridor that I warned others in this =
listserve that this road looks like a sign for future logging. WELL =
yesterday a bulldozer worked all day in Sunday widening the corridor, =
and cleared out all the small bushes and stumps. I walked this widen =
area and witnessed that there are several corridors/roads coming off =
this main corridor going into the bog. There is a lot of woodpecker =
signs all over this area. (HEAVY WOODPECKER SIGN MIGHT BE AN INDICATOR =
OF HEALTH ISSUES WITH TREES, ADDED BY TOM) I can safely bet that in the =
next few days the loggers will be in there clearing this bog out. To =
get an idea what this area will look like when the logging is done is to =
visit places like all the bend on Owl Avenue, along Co. Rd 133, along =
Co. 319 ( Stone Lake Rd.) and several other places. ALSO there is blue =
paint on many trees along Owl Avenue. This MIGHT be a sign the state is =
just going to widen the ditch (or improve the road?) or possibly next =
winter log this area out as well. There is a entry road into the east =
side of Owl Avenue bog on the north end near Co. Rd 52. So this area =
looks like it might be logged out as well. This is same area Conn. =
Warblers were nesting. If you know nest site you maybe able to get that =
saved, Tom
I know some birders are working to nominate the Sax Zim bog as an =
Important Bird Area but by the time this nomination is announced this =
unique area there will NOT be a important bird area but instead a good =
area for growing hay and making meth! (That is sesationalism, false and =
ranting, Tom) I am upset with losing more habitat to loggers but there =
is nothing to do but accept this loss and move on. (You contradict your =
later statement) I just wish groups who are involve with this area or =
people who been here who know what to do would help me contact the right =
people ( I need email addresses ) and I wish this group stop =
concentrating on the economics/tourist aspect in their meetings and =
instead concentrate on protecting the bog and its habitat and put all =
their energy into contacting state officials to stop this logging. (I =
believe the state goes through a management planning process, that would =
have been the time to voice your objections, every 5-10 years). If =
anyone knows the right people to contact please email me as I will do =
what I can to stop or at least slow down the logging. Birders we are =
going to lose the bog (the bog will still be there it will be better =
hunting habitat for owls), we are going to lose Conn. Warblers, Boreal =
Chickadees (maybe better habitat in 15-30 years) , Gray Jays, Great Gray =
Owls, and other boreal species. Some of the bog has orchids in them as =
well. We are going to lose everything that makes this place so wonderful =
to us birders. (Maybe you could influence the number of snags live and =
dead that are left for perching) There arguments against this may =
include Insect and disease considerations (mistletoe) they can pick =
mistletoe free areas to reserve patches. If the trees are to big in =
these patches they will blow down eventually anyways. If they reserve =
tamarack this will make better great grey owl habitat (nesting) in the =
future and it is mistletoe resistent. There other argument is that =
snags maybe hazardous to aerial seeding operations. That would be =
poppycock or something like that. You could argue that aerial seeding =
is not necessary that in all probability the site will regenerate with =
the seed and cones present on the site. Aerial seeding tends to =
overstock the site (this depends on seedbed partially). I am not =
familiar with the site but would be happy to meet with you at the site =
to explain silviculture (the art and science of growing trees) in the =
bogs sometime when I am passing through that way.
You do not give me good descriptions of the "bog" Reserve strips =
(along roads) are another option (they eventually blow down) also, that =
would appease 99% of people but hide what forestry is all about. If the =
trees are tall enough to land in the road it is another hazard and =
management hassle. The site will regenerate except maybe where the =
landings are and the landings will regenerate more slowly than the bulk =
of the site.
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If you would like to help me please reply and if you know emails of =
the right people to contact please contact me as well. Someone has to =
make a stand against this logging and dammit I am going to fight this!
The new DNR Forestry Director was the Saint Louis County Land =
Commissioner up till last year. Go into the DNR web site. He should =
be familiar with the bog? and its issues (but he will have someone else =
write the letter probably). I would give you his name but I do not want =
to get in hassles. The above clue should be adequate. My comments here =
are not to be taken as support for anything you plan to do concerning =
timber sales or land management practices. I have given you a couple =
good suggestions to improve the habitat for raptors and a few other =
birds. =20
Without the death of one forest a new forest cannot be reborn (unless =
your planting open areas)
Tom
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Michael Hendrickson
Duluth, Minnesota
Minnesota Birding Treks
http://webpages.charter.net/mmhendrickson/
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [mou] Sax Zim Bog=20
Sunday</DIV>
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<DIV>Mike <BR>The loggers have to freeze the road down before they can =
move=20
in. One rule of thumb (a fairly accurate one) is that you have =
to have=20
the road plowed before January 15th in order to get sufficient frost =
in the=20
ground. That is enough frost to move trucks that weigh 80,000 =
plus=20
pounds when loaded across the bog. <BR><BR>So "Your =
loggers" will=20
not be moving in for a little while yet.<BR>They might not even move =
in this=20
year. <BR><U><B><BR>This is the hardest winter loggers have seen =
in=20
Northern MN in the 25+ years I have been working the bogs =
here. =20
</B></U><BR><BR>The DNR has a natural heritage database that lists =
significant=20
orchids and other natural heritage info. they deem significant. =
Contact=20
Sharron Nelson and know the legal description for where you want data=20
for. If anyone discovers things they think maybe should be =
listed=20
they can let the DNR know I would suggest the wildlife manager for the =
local=20
area. I am a <U>private consultant </U>with some knowledge of =
the=20
state. By the way what orchids are you referring to???? =
Why is=20
this bog you describe unique? </DIV>
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face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>THIS BOG LOCATED ALONG MCDAVITT ROAD =
IS NOT JUST=20
UNIQUED TO ME BUT TO MANY BIRDERS FROM ALL OVER THE U.S. WHO VISITED =
THIS BOG=20
TO LOOK FOR THE THREE-TOED WOODPECKER AND BLACK-BACKED WOODPECKERS. =
MANY ALSO=20
SEARCHED THIS AREA FOR BOREAL CHICKADEES AND ALSO FOR ALL THE OTHER =
BOREAL=20
SPECIES THAT NEST HERE. SO ITS UNIQUED FOR MANY REASONS OTHER =
THAN MY=20
REASONS.</FONT>
<DIV><BR><BR>I would suggest that your chances of stopping the current =
logging are one in a million. There is a state forestry =
office in=20
Cotton FYI a Mr. Danzl works there I believe. Your best to call =
ahead if=20
you want someone to be there when you arrive. That office is =
supervised=20
out of Duluth or Cloquet. Your legislative representatives would =
be your=20
best bet <U>(but don't tell anyone I said so)</U>.</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>THANKS I WILL CALL THESE =
PEOPLE AND=20
ALSO LAURA ERICKSON EMAILED ME AND SHE IS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS =
LOGGING=20
EFFORTS IN HER NEXT RADIO PROGRAM. LAURA'S RADIO SHOW "FOR THE BIRDS" =
ATTRACTS=20
HUNDREDS IF NOT THOUSANDS OF BIRDERS FROM ALL OVER. I WILL ALSO =
CONTACT=20
SAM COOK AND SEE IF HE IS INTERESTED IN DOING A STORY ON THIS =
LOGGING. =20
</FONT><BR><BR><B><BIG><I><U>The reality of the picture you present is =
that=20
logging created almost all of the wildlife habitat, roads and trails =
that you=20
use to earn money guiding birders.=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>EXPLAIN HOW LOGGING HAS =
CREATED A BOG=20
TO ME ESPECIALLY A FLOATING BOG? I MIGHT HAVE OT QUESTION YOU =
ABOUT THE=20
ROADS SINCE MOST IF NOT ALL OF THEM ARE CROSS SECTION ROADS THAT RUN =
EAST WEST=20
AND NORTH SOUTH IN MILE SECTIONS. THERE IS NO TRAILS UP THERE =
EXCEPT THE=20
SNOW MOBILE TRAIL OVER BY TOIVOLA.</FONT><BR><BR>Logging and the =
associated=20
industries (paper, OSB board and lumber) are still a large part of =
northern=20
Minnesotas economy.<BR>Granted guiding and servicing bird watchers is =
a=20
growing segment. <BR><BR>When you attack other independent =
people and=20
employers its a bad reflection on you. Loggers are pretty =
independent,=20
most of the ones that have survived are pretty good and conscientious =
about=20
their jobs. I have watched the decline of the small farmer (the=20
extinction of the dairy farmer in this area) and I am glad that there =
are=20
still independent people that survive through hard work as well as =
brains=20
(loggers). The number of logging operations has declined over =
50% in the=20
last 28 years as well. Loggers capacity to harvest wood has =
increased=20
substantially in that same time frame. Less employees and more =
debt for=20
equipment (at least the banks get richer). </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>I NEVER SAID I WAS ANTI =
LOGGING DID=20
I? I AM THOUGH CONCERN ABOUT LOSING HABITAT THAT I KNOW IS VERY =
FRAGILE.=20
I ALSO READ THAT BOGS IN THE NORTHERN MINNESOTA ARE DECLINING. I =
WORKED=20
WITH PEOPLE WHO LOGGED IN THE WINTER WHEN THEY GOT LAYED OFF DURING =
THE WINTER=20
AS A ROOFER. I KNOW LOGGERS AND YES THEY ARE GOOD HARD WORKING =
PEOPLE=20
BUT AGAIN I AM CONCERN THAT TO MUCH OF THE BOG IS GETTING LOGGED OUT =
IN SAX=20
ZIM. IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT?</FONT><BR><BR>Logging and the =
associated industrial value added jobs are a large segment of the =
better=20
paying jobs in certain parts of Northern Minnesota.<BR><BR>The forests =
of=20
Northern Mn are a renewable resource. How many acres of forest =
are lost=20
to the sprawl of cities and small site development (this includes the=20
conversion of farm land (that was once forest)). I think you =
will find=20
that this causes a <U>much greater</U> <U><B>loss of forests and =
habitat=20
</B></U>in MN than logging. <BR><BR>Maybe I should complain and =
say the=20
city should grow up instead of out????? yeah right.<BR><BR>There =
is no=20
question logging changes wildlife habitat. What hurts one =
species favors=20
another. <BR> Most Northern Hawk =
owls I=20
have seen have been pointed out to me by loggers on fresh=20
cutovers.<BR> Boreal Chickadees seem =
more=20
prevalent in black spruce that is 15-30 years old than in older=20
stands.<BR> Is the increase in =
rose=20
breasted grosbeaks where I live attributable to the increase in aspen =
12-25=20
years old??? <BR> Is the increase =
in indigo buntings attributable to the increase in 6-15 year old =
aspen??</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>AHHH BOREAL CHICKADEES IN =
THE SAX ZIM=20
BOG ARE ASSOCIATED WITH BOGS THAT HAVE CEDARS, BLACK SPRUCE AND =
TAMARACKS.=20
THERE IS NO 15-30 YEAR OLD STAND OF BLACK SPRUCE IN THE BOG ITS A MIX=20
BOG. NORTHERN HAWK OWLS ARE NOT LIVING OR NESTING IN A CUT OR =
LOGGED OUT=20
AREA IN MINNESOTA. THERE ARE ONLY A HANDFUL OF NESTING RECORDS IN =
MINNESOTA.=20
IF LOGGERS SAW THESE OWLS IN THE CUT OUT AREAS THEY MAY OF BEEN =
USING=20
THESE OPEN AREAS FOR HUNTING PURPOSES. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> <BR><BR>I can imagine the impression you left with the =
people from=20
Ill. It is to bad it was such a one sided one.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>THE PEOPLE I GUIDED NOR THE =
PEOPLE I=20
SAW THERE (10-15 OTHER BIRDERS) NEVER MAY ANY COMMENTS ABOUT THE =
LOGGING OR=20
POTENTIAL LOGGING IN THIS AREA. SO THERE WAS NO ONE SIDED ARGUEMENTS =
BEING=20
MADE.</FONT><BR><BR>There is a million acre conference in Duluth the =
second=20
w/e of February. The focus of the conference will be forestry =
and=20
wildlife. It would be an opportunity for you to learn a broader=20
perspective and it is in your home town I believe.<BR><BR>If your so =
anti=20
logging maybe you should buy land and protect it. There is a =
sustainable=20
forest incentive act (SFIA) program that will pay roughly $4.32 per =
acre per=20
year to help you afford to keep it.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>WHERE IN THE HELL DID I =
EVER MENTIONED=20
IN MY EMAIL I WAS ANTI LOGGING? OH BECAUSE I CARE ABOUT A =
CERTAIN BOG=20
THAT ISABOUT TO BE LOGGED OUT YOU ARE ASSUMING I AM A TREE HUGGER OR =
RADICAL=20
ENVIRONMENTALIST. YOU ARE REACHING ON THIS STATEMENT OR COMMENTS =
ABOUT=20
ME AS A PERSON AND MY BELIEFS!</FONT><BR><BR>But if you want to manage =
it=20
(which may include logging) let me know I will help you get the best =
price for=20
your wood and we can manage it for whatever species (be it trees =
or=20
wildlife) you would like that is suitable for the area. I =
work on=20
a percentage basis (of timber sale receipts) usually. Therefore =
it will=20
not cost you a penny out of your pocket and it will probably be very=20
lucrative. Let me know soon though because I am booked into =
summer with=20
writing forest and wildlife management plans (as well as timber sales) =
for=20
landowners who desire to manage their lands. Timber sale =
receipts are=20
subject to capital gain tax rates and the basis can be =
subtracted from=20
income also.<BR><BR><U><B>The bird report from the borderland =
(beautiful Rainy=20
River)</B></U><BR><U><B><BIG>STILL HOSTING</BIG></B></U><BR>60+ =
evening=20
grosbeaks (here AM and well into PM)<BR>good numbers of pine =
grosbeaks,=20
<BR>downy and hairy wood peckers, <BR>pine siskins<BR>chickadees,=20
<BR>nuthatches (both kinds), <BR>eagles (river is wide open a very =
rare=20
occurrence in January)<BR>occasional gray jay</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>KEEP ENJOYING THOSE EVENING =
GROSBEAKS=20
BECAUSE OF THE CONSTANT HABITAT LOSS TO THESE BIRDS YOUR 60+ THIS YEAR =
WILL NO=20
DOUBT SLIDE TO 20+ A FEW YEARS FROM =
NOW!</FONT><BR><BR>Mike,<BR><U><B>Last=20
year you <BIG><BIG>ranted</BIG></BIG> about local people ragging on =
you and=20
others for setting people up on county roads with spotting scopes, =
cameras and=20
binoculars</B></U> to look at local peoples bird feeders. I kind =
of get=20
the feeling you probably did not ask permission as a =
<B>courtesy</B>=20
first (because you figured you could be on a public road and do what =
ever you=20
wanted). If people set up cameras with huge lenses and spotting =
scopes=20
outside my house without asking I might be a little pissed. If I =
was elderly I would probably be paranoid or scared. =
<BR>Most=20
people live rurally for a variety of reasons. <BR>One of which =
is=20
privacy.<BR>Another is to enjoy wildlife (Bird feeder).<BR>I would not =
fault=20
those people for one second for calling the police about peeping =
Mike's or=20
harassment. I am pretty sure they would be successful in =
pursuing=20
a court order in keeping you and your customers away from their homes =
(but I=20
am not a lawyer). I believe the road safety issue was addressed =
last=20
year.<BR>Road safety on many roads is an issue in MN especially in the =
winter=20
time. Roads where logging trucks haul and local people travel =
should be=20
left passable, clear and safe when stopping for viewing birds. =
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" =
size=3D2></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>WHAT IN THE HELL DOES THIS =
HAS TO DO=20
WITH MY TOPIC ABOUT INFORMING PEOPLE ABOUT THE LOGGING IN THE SAX ZIM=20
BOG? FIRST I WAS TALKING ABOUT ST. LOUIS COUNTY ROAD 7 WHICH IS =
A TWO=20
LANE ROAD THAT LINKS MANY OF THE COMMUNITIES WITH EVELETH AND THE =
EVELETH=20
MINE. VERY RARELY IF EVER LOGGING TRUCKS USE THIS ROAD AS THEY USE =
HIGHWAY 53=20
FOR THEIR TRAVEL WHICH THEN THE LOGGERS USE HIGHWAY 33 TO CLOQUET TO =
THE PAPER=20
MILL WHERE MY BROTHER-IN LAW WORKS AND WHERE I BUILT A LOT OF THEIR =
FLAT ROOFS=20
WHEN THEY EXPANDED ( ANTI LOGGING ! RIGHT). I ALSO CALLED THE =
COUNTY=20
SHERIFF TO LOOK INTO MY RIGHTS TO USE A PUBLIC ROAD TO VIEW WILDLIFE =
AND I=20
FOUND OUT IT WAS WITHIN MY RIGHT. I ALSO USED THE 8 FOOT =
SHOULDERS TO=20
PARK MY CAR WHEN I STOPPED TO LOOK AT THEIR FEEDERS. THERE WAS =
NEVER A=20
ISSUE OF PUBLIC SAFETY OR KEEPING THE ROAD OPEN. OVIOUSLY TOM COMPTON =
NEVER=20
VISITED THIS AREA LAST YEAR OR ELSE HE WOULD OF GOTTEN HIS FACTS =
RIGHT! =20
I GOT RESPONSES ABOUT THAT EMAIL AND BY THE WAY TOMMY I GOT 2 PEOPLE =
WHO WERE=20
UPSET WITH MY EMAIL AND THE REST THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD EMAIL AND I =
SPOKE THE=20
TRUTH ABOUT THIS PARTICUALR RESIDENT. THIS WOMAN THOUGHT VISITING =
BIRDERS WERE=20
STEALING HER MAIL! ALSO BIRDERS BY FAR CONTRIBUTED SO MUCH MONEY =
TO THIS=20
AREA THAT CAFES THAT NORMALLY LAYED OFF EMPOYEES WERE WORKING ALL =
WINTER LONG.=20
SOME PLACES LIKE MEADOWLANDS WERE HAPPY WITH ALL THE BIRDERS. I JUST =
WAS=20
ANNOYED BY THE FEW EGG HEADS THAT TOSSED BEER BOTTLES AT BIRDERS, =
SWERVED AT=20
THEM AND HONKED THEIR HORNS, STOPPED BY THEM AND GLARED AT THEM WHOLE =
SHAKING=20
A FIST AT THEM. SOME SHOT SHOT GUNS OUTSIDE TO SCARE THEM OFF =
THE PUBLIC=20
ROADS. OVERALL HUNDREDS OF BIRDERS ENJOYED THEMSELVES UP IN THE =
SAX ZIM=20
BOG. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>I AM FAIRLY CERTAIN =
YOU JUST=20
BROUGHT THIS UP TO JUST PISS ME OFF AND TURN THE ATTENTION AWAY FROM =
LOGGING=20
BUT TO ME INSTEAD. WHY IS THAT?</FONT></DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic =
Sans MS"=20
size=3D2></FONT><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT>
<DIV><BR><BR>I realize full well that the majority of people on this =
list=20
serve might see things Mike's way. It is good to have people who =
are a=20
little radical (or loud) to keep our perspectives open and to educate =
us as to=20
different viewpoints. I guess that is part of my reason for =
answering=20
his email. The forestry profession has not educated people =
to the=20
degree they should have. It is accepted that foresters were the first=20
environmentalists (aldo leopold, I might argue that natives or =
aboriginals in=20
other areas were). Many environmental organizations mislead and =
misinform to scare people into supporting their causes. =
<BR>Scare=20
tactics, sensationalism and polarized viewpoints seem to be the way =
things are=20
done more commonly now. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>WAS MY EMAIL A SCARE TACTIC =
OR WAS I=20
JUST REPORTING A EVENT THAT MAY EFFECT ALL OF US? I AM FAIRLY =
CERTAIN I=20
WAS JUST REPORTING A EVENT IN THE SAX ZIM BOG AND I WAS LOOKING FOR =
SOME HELP=20
FROM THOSE THAT MIGHT BE JUST AS CONCERN AS I. THIS AREA IS LIKE =
MY=20
BACKYARD. I SPEND SO MUCH TIME UP HERE AND I LOVE IT. I REMEMBER =
THE=20
TUNNEL EFFECT OF THE TREES AT THE BEND OF OWL AVENUE, I REMEMBER THE =
CEDAR=20
STANDS AND SPRUCE STANDS ALONG 133. I REMEMBER THE SPRUCE AND =
TAMARACKS=20
ALONG STONE LAKE ROAD THAT WAS HOME TO CONN WARBLERS AND BLACK-BACKED=20
WOODPECKERS. I AM TIRED OF STANDING AROUND AND SEEING PLACES I =
WAS ONCE=20
KNEW TO BE FLATTEN OUT FOR TOILET PAPER! HELL THE WOOD CANNOT BE =
THAT=20
GREAT SINCE MOST OF IT WAS INFECTED WITH SPRUCE BUD WORM. I KNOW =
TOM IS=20
GOING TO CREDIT THAT ALL THE TOILET PAPER COMES FROM THE WOOD FROM SAX =
ZIM. I JUST WANT MY LITTLE PIECE OF THE BOG TO BE LEFT =
ALONG! WHAT=20
IN THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THAT!</FONT></DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans =
MS"=20
size=3D2></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
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style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><FONT=20
face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>TOM YOU TOOK A LITTLE EMAIL AND MADE =
IT INTO SOME=20
HUGE ISSUE AND ITS NOT. ALL I WAS DOING WAS SHARING THE EVENTS =
OF WHAT=20
IS GOING ON IN THE BOG! A PLACE THAT OVIOUSLY YOU DO NOT CARE ABOUT. I =
DO AND=20
I KNOW OTHERS DO AS WELL.</FONT>
<DIV><BR><BR>Fortunately I lead a protected (insulated) life. I =
do host=20
bird watchers (best place in state for evening grosbeaks)(also fisher =
people)=20
and profesional photographers occasionally so contact me if your in =
the=20
neighborhood (350 miles no. of cities). You will not find =
my=20
feeders adjacent to any public roadway.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>THERE ARE A LOT OF FEEDERS =
IN SAX ZIM=20
AND IN DULUTH THAT HOST EVENING GROSBEAKS. PLACES LIKE ISABELLA HAS =
EVENING=20
GROSBEAKS AND ALSO KIM RISEN AND CINDY RISEN HAVE A GREAT FEEDER THAT =
HOST=20
EVENING GROSBEAKS. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO TRAVEL 300-400 MILES TO SEE =
THESE=20
BIRDS!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>I own my own business and am a private forestry and wildlife =
(this=20
includes birds and other species) consultant. I assist people =
with=20
managing their lands and have worked in Northern MN for over 25 =
years. I=20
also do some limited teaching and guiding in natural resources. =
I have=20
walked in bogs for 25 plus years (maybe I am nuts when I reflect on =
that=20
fact).<BR>Woods & Wildlife Forestry & Real Estate =
Services<BR>Have a=20
great week<BR>Tom Crumpton<BR><BR>Please excuse my long defense and =
attempt at=20
educating people who have not had the opportunity to live, work, learn =
and=20
coexist with the surroundings that I have had. <BR><BR>Mike =
Hendrickson=20
wrote:<BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Was out guiding a couple =
from=20
Illinois.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Birds seen:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>-Northern Hawk Owl along =
Stone Lake=20
Rd and McDavitt Rd.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>-Boreal Chickadees along =
Co. Rd=20
52</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>-Gray Jays (every =
where)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>-Northern =
Shrike</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>-Snow Buntings along Co. =
7. A small=20
flock of 30 1/4 mi. north of Byrne's Greenhouse & a flock of 150 =
at the=20
Malmberg Sod Farms south of Byrne's Greenhouse. These were seen from =
3-4pm</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>-Pine Grosbeaks & =
Evening=20
Grosbeaks, Common Redpolls at a few feeders</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>-Common Redpoll along =
Blue Spruce=20
Rd. A large flock of 200+ birds feeding on the =
Tamaracks.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>* The Black-backed =
Woodpeckers that=20
were reported several times along McDavitt. Rd (2.5 miles north of =
Co. Rd=20
28-Sax Rd) were not found by my group nor all the other birders that =
tried=20
to locate these birds.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS"=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>This unique =
<U><B>(????)</B></U> bog=20
along McDavitt Rd. is in DANGER! Many of those that hiked =
around this=20
area last year remember that on the east side opposite of all those =
snowshoe=20
trails was a open corridor into the bog. This corridor is the same =
corridor=20
that I warned others in this listserve that =
this road looks like a=20
sign for future logging. WELL yesterday a bulldozer worked =
all day=20
in Sunday widening the corridor, and cleared out all the small =
bushes and=20
stumps. I walked this widen area and witnessed that there are =
several=20
corridors/roads coming off this main corridor going into the bog. =
There is a=20
lot of woodpecker signs all over this area. <U><B>(HEAVY =
WOODPECKER=20
SIGN MIGHT BE AN INDICATOR OF HEALTH ISSUES WITH TREES, ADDED BY=20
TOM)</B></U> I can safely bet that in the next few days the loggers =
will be=20
in there clearing this bog out. To get an idea what this =
area=20
will look like when the logging is done is to visit places like =
all the=20
bend on Owl Avenue, along Co. Rd 133, along Co. 319 ( Stone Lake =
Rd.) and=20
several other places. ALSO there is blue paint on many trees =
along Owl=20
Avenue. This MIGHT be a sign the state is just going to widen =
the ditch=20
<U><B>(or improve the road?) </B></U>or possibly next winter log =
this area=20
out as well. There is a entry road into the east side of Owl Avenue =
bog on=20
the north end near Co. Rd 52. So this area looks like it might =
be=20
logged out as well. This is same area Conn. Warblers were =
nesting. =20
<U><B>If you know nest site you maybe able to get that saved,=20
Tom</B></U><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>I know some birders =
are working=20
to nominate the Sax Zim bog as an Important Bird Area but by =
the time=20
this nomination is announced this unique area there =
will NOT=20
be a important bird area but instead a good area for growing =
hay and=20
making meth! <U><B>(That is sesationalism, false and ranting, =
Tom)</B></U> I=20
am upset with losing more habitat to loggers but there is nothing to =
do but=20
accept this loss and move on. <U><B>(You contradict your later=20
statement) </B></U> I just wish groups who are involve with =
this area=20
or people who been here who know what to do would help me contact =
the right=20
people ( I need email addresses ) and I wish this group stop =
concentrating=20
on the economics/tourist aspect in their meetings and instead =
concentrate on=20
protecting the bog and its habitat and put all their energy into =
contacting=20
state officials to stop this logging. <U><B>(I believe the =
state goes=20
through a management planning process, that would have been the time =
to=20
voice your objections, every 5-10 years)</B></U>. If anyone =
knows the=20
right people to contact please email me as I will do what I can to =
stop or=20
at least slow down the logging. Birders we are going to lose =
the bog=20
<U><B>(the bog will still be there it will be better hunting habitat =
for=20
owls)</B></U>, we are going to lose Conn. Warblers, Boreal =
Chickadees=20
<U><B>(maybe better habitat in 15-30 years)</B></U> , Gray Jays, =
Great Gray=20
Owls, and other boreal species. Some of the bog has orchids in =
them as=20
well. We are going to lose everything that makes this place so =
wonderful to=20
us birders. <U><B>(Maybe you could influence the number of =
snags live=20
and dead that are left for perching) There arguments against this =
may=20
include Insect and disease considerations (mistletoe) they can pick=20
mistletoe free areas to reserve patches. If the trees are to =
big in=20
these patches they will blow down eventually anyways. If they =
reserve=20
tamarack this will make better great grey owl habitat =
(nesting) in the=20
future and it is mistletoe resistent. There other argument is =
that=20
snags maybe hazardous to aerial seeding operations. That would =
be=20
poppycock or something like that. You could argue that aerial =
seeding=20
is not necessary that in all probability the site will regenerate =
with the=20
seed and cones present on the site. Aerial seeding tends to =
overstock=20
the site (this depends on seedbed partially). I am not =
familiar with=20
the site but would be happy to meet with you at the site to explain=20
silviculture (the art and science of growing trees) in the bogs =
sometime=20
when I am passing through that=20
way.</B></U><BR></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><U><B>You do not give me =
good=20
descriptions of the "bog" Reserve strips (along roads) are =
another=20
option (they eventually blow down) also, that would appease 99% of =
people but=20
hide what forestry is all about. If the trees are tall enough to =
land in=20
the road it is another hazard and management hassle. The site =
will=20
regenerate except maybe where the landings are and the landings will=20
regenerate more slowly than the bulk of the site.</B></U><BR>
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type=3D"cite"><DIV> <BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>If you would like to help =
me please=20
reply and if you know emails of the right people to contact please =
contact=20
me as well. Someone has to make a stand against this logging and =
dammit I am=20
going to fight this!</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><U><B>The new DNR =
Forestry=20
Director was the Saint Louis County Land Commissioner up till last =
year. =20
Go into the DNR web site. He should be familiar with the =
bog? and=20
its issues (but he will have someone else write the letter probably). =
I would=20
give you his name but I do not want to get in hassles. The above clue =
should=20
be adequate. My comments here are not to be taken as support for =
anything you plan to do concerning timber sales or land management=20
practices. I have given you a couple good suggestions to improve =
the=20
habitat for raptors and a few other birds. <BR>Without the death =
of one=20
forest a new forest cannot be reborn (unless your planting open=20
areas)<BR></B></U><B>Tom</B><U><B><BR></B></U> <BR>
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type=3D"cite"><DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Michael=20
Hendrickson<BR>Duluth, Minnesota<BR>Minnesota Birding Treks<BR><A=20
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href=3D"http://webpages.charter.net/mmhendrickson/">http://webpages.chart=
er.net/mmhendrickson/</A></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></=
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