[mou] which is more likely... (long response)
Paul Hurtado
pauljh at cam.cornell.edu
Wed Dec 19 15:27:01 CST 2007
Richard,
I have been on now 2 or 3 birding lists at the same time as you, and
witnessed your very defensive outbursts regarding your observations of
birds and the (often requested) feedback you get from others on the ID of
those birds.
I really wish I was visiting Minneapolis for longer, as I would like to go
out and do some birding with you and some of the other skilled birders
from this area. As you have been told before, the VERY BEST way to
improve is to learn from those that are more skilled birders than you are,
and who are willing to help you improve (which includes pointing out your
mistakes!).
Anyway, I just wanted to make a few points, not to try and prod you or
offend you, but because it would be great to see you move past your
conflicts over some of the IDs you make, and develop as a more capable
birder. So please, read this with an open mind, and when some
"constructive criticism" can be taken without offense.
1) We all make mistakes, EVEN GOOD BIRDERS and GOOD PEOPLE.
2) Many/most birders want others to be OBJECTIVE and CRITICAL of their
own observations, so that birds aren't mis-identified -- especially rare
or uncommon birds. Its just a simple fact of life we all have to deal
with! If you saw something that *MIGHT* have been a noteworthy bird, be
honest about all the details and don't jump to any conclusions... just
present the facts and let people decide for themselves.
3) The thoughtful criticism of others is YOUR BIGGEST OPPORTUNITY to
reflect on your own behavior, abilities, and asiprations. What you
recognize about yourself will help GUIDE YOU to improve your birding
skills.
4) IF YOU THINK SOMEONE IS YELLING AT YOU OR CRITICIZING YOU, DON'T START
YELLING AND CRITICIZING BACK! Come to the table ready to have a
level-headed discussion and be prepared to AT LEAST ENTERTAIN the idea
that in the given situation THEY MIGHT BE RIGHT, AND YOU MIGHT BE WRONG
WRONG (see #1 above). In the end, you just might learn something of
value.
Your question: "Is there ANYTHING that one can do when they report
something that will guarantee that they won't get yelled at or
criticized?"
People have told you this before, Richard. I get the impression that you
didn't listen to the answers, or you didn't take the steps to take those
suggestions into practice.
In short, anything uncommon needs to be seen well enough and DESCRIBED
OBJECTIVELY and WELL ENOUGH to identify it as something uncommon or rare
and rule out other likely possibilities. Without good enough views or
photos to support a solid ID, one should be clear to others on what you
DID see, what you think about the observation, and don't force the ID.
Often times, you just have to accept that "I don't know what that bird
was" is the only real conclusion, and move on to the next bird that comes
your way.
One great exercise to improve this ability is taking better care to note
important details on common birds, and to communicate those details
effectively in writing, in pictures, etc. Sketching common birds is a
GREAT way to do this, and helps train your eye and your brain to notice
and remember important details. E.g., if you saw the small dark bill on
the bird, that is because you know bill color is important in making IDs.
But did you notice the crown color or contrasting feather groups on the
head and neck? Any wing bars? Such details would help pick out a Gray
Jay over other species, and PRACTICE DESCRIBING THEM ON COMMON BIRDS is
the best way to ensure you'll notice those details.
Without a good description, it seems like you are forcing the ID based on
what you want the bird to be - not what the bird actually looked like.
We've all done this, so we all are cautious to help others avoid this
pitfall!!! In this case you got warned against doing that -- nothing
personal, it was just some appropriate and well intended cautionary
advice. Hopefully, looking back at all this, you recognize that.
Richard, I know you have had bad experiences with BRCs in the past, but
instead of dwelling on it wouldn't you be happier if you were focused
instead on learning what makes for really excellent documentation and then
getting in the habit of reporting good solid observations that everyone
can be happy with, so you can begin to move past those bad experiences?
Anyway, I'll end with a few suggestions for anyone to take their birding
up a notch. I'm sure many others can come up with equal or better
suggestions, but these are some that have helped me or friends of mine:
- Bird with other people, both "better" and "worse" birders than you.
- Read some good "how to bird" books like Sibley's "Birding Basics."
Even if 90% is familiar, you'll reinforce good habits and learn
some of that other 10%.
- Pick a good "study group" of birds w/ a good book to guide you:
+ Raptors of E./W. North America (Wheeler Guides) -- now in paperback
+ Sparrows and Buntings of North America -- other better guides may exist?
+ Gulls of the Americas and/or Gulls of North America, Europe and Asia
+ The Shorebird Guide
+ Warblers, etc...
(some good videos also exist, as well as audio CDs, etc.)
Once you learn to see the variation in details within a group, you'll
be able to more easily pick up on important details in other groups.
- Go beyond species and identify birds to age, plumages, subspecies, etc.
+ And you thought Red-tailed Hawks had lost their flare? Ha!! ;)
- Study behavior and basic natural history of common birds.
+ What exactly do they eat, and when?
+ Where do they migrate and stop over?
+ At feeders, who is dominant to who (between & w/in species)?
- Listing. I know, its got its downfalls, but it does give you the
motivatioin to get out and visit those places you never quite
made it to, and to try and ID those easily avoided species like
gulls, sparrows, empids, fall warblers, etc.
Good birding folks,
Paul Hurtado
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