[mnbird] RE: [mou] Fw: Falconer at 180th Street today

Mike Hendrickson smithville4@charter.net
Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:07:18 -0600


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Personally I would rather see banders leave this gyr alone.  I would =
think by now with all information on the internet and also known papers =
written about Gyrs we should by now know where gyrs breed. Why is it so =
important to know where it came from?   The most important part of all =
this reports about the Hastings Gyr is that its close to the cities =
where birders from all over can witness it chase waterfowl or just soar =
over birders head.  IF this Gyr ever gets netted/banded in the Hastings =
area then the only way birders will ever find out about where it breeds =
at is IF by chance there is a researcher who happens to retrap this same =
Gyr near its nest in its breeding ground!

I guess I just don't understand why there is always a need to slap a =
band on a unusual raptor like a Gyr. I can understand this desire to =
band a bird like a Gyr if there is a on going project that pertains to =
Gyr winter movements but to just say " hey lets slap a band on it so we =
can see where it breeds or if its the same bird that's been coming here =
for four years"  I mean why not slap a band on every casual/accidental =
bird that is found in Minnesota!!

Let the Gyr alone and let birders/photographers and the rest of the =
public enjoy the Gyr flying around bandless, knocking mallards out of =
the sky and ect.. Hey if the Gyr does get banded why not snap a green =
wing tag on it and spray the head black because this is how our Duluth =
Snowy Owl looks like at the present!!
  =20
Michael Hendrickson
Duluth, Minnesota
http://webpages.charter.net/mmhendrickson/
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Sharon Stiteler=20
  To: mou=20
  Cc: mnbird=20
  Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 5:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [mnbird] RE: [mou] Fw: Falconer at 180th Street today




  I agree with Mark Martell that the falconer was more than likely =
unaware of the gyr.  I have met a falconer, I can't think of his name =
who is really into kites and flies them any chance he gets.  I've met =
him in Duluth.  I've emailed a couple of falconry friends to find out of =
it's him.


  As for banding they gyr, I personally would like to see it banded.  I =
would be interested to see if this is in fact the same bird that has =
shown up for the last four years and a chance to learn where its =
breeding ground is.  Look at the cool information we learned about the =
green-tailed towhee.







  Sharon Stiteler
  www.birdchick.com
  Minneapolis, MN








  On Jan 26, 2007, at 5:03 PM, MARTELL, Mark wrote:


    The season for trapping birds for falconry closed on Dec 30.  No =
trapping technique I am aware of uses a free flying hawk to lure in =
another hawk. A good way to get your valuable, trained bird killed.

    I have no explanation for the kite other than some people use kites =
with food attached to train their bird to gain altitude.

    I am guessing this falconer was unaware of the gyr.


    Mark Martell=20
    Director of Bird Conservation=20
    Audubon Minnesota=20
    2357 Ventura Drive #106=20
    St. Paul, MN 55125=20
    651-739-9332=20
    651-731-1330 (FAX)=20
    http://mn.audubon.org=20

    To donate to Audubon Minnesota online, visit our secure site at =
<http://mn.audubon.org/support_ways.html>=20



      -----Original Message-----
      From: mou-net-admin@cbs.umn.edu =
[mailto:mou-net-admin@cbs.umn.edu]On Behalf Of jeffbirds
      Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 4:09 PM
      To: mnbird; mou
      Subject: [mou] Fw: Falconer at 180th Street today





      Jerry Pruett, Chuck Krulas, John Hockema, and I went looking for =
the good birds that have been appearing in the Hastings region today. =
Among the birds we searched for was the Gyrfalcon that has been seen =
around 180th Street. When we stopped at around 2PM we noticed an SUV =
parked in the field to the south of 180th. I then noticed a raptor =
flying away from the vehicle. We all got out and watched a falcon soar =
around the field for a while and then land at the feet of the person at =
the SUV. It then hopped onto his hand so we assumed that he was a =
falconer and it was his bird. We then observed him put the bird away and =
begin flying a kite for a while. We assumed that he must have been =
trying to attract the wild Gyrfalcon that has regularly been reported as =
being seen there. Maybe there was some other reason for fly this small =
falcon sized kite but we couldn' t think of one. So it raises the =
question as to whether a falconer is legally allowed to trap a wild =
Gyrfalcon? Maybe this person was also a bander and was trying to lure in =
the bird to band it? Anyway I guess I would prefer the Gyrfalcon that =
many have enjoyed watching be left alone. If there is anyone out there =
that knows the regulations perhaps they would publish an email on the =
listserve about this subject. I did get the persons license plate if =
they were breaking any game laws but I don't know anything about the =
falconer regulations.


      Jeff Stephenson
      Rochester, Mn, Olmsted County
      Phone: 507 289 7635je
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reports=20
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birders=20
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then the=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style" color=3D#800000 size=3D2>I guess I =
just don't=20
understand why there is always a need to slap a band on a unusual raptor =
like a=20
Gyr. I can understand this desire to band a bird like a Gyr if there is =
a on=20
going project that pertains to Gyr winter movements but to just say " =
hey lets=20
slap a band on it so we can see where it breeds or if its the same bird =
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been coming here for four years"&nbsp; I mean why not slap a band on =
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casual/accidental bird that is found in Minnesota!!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3D"Bookman Old Style" color=3D#800000 size=3D2>Let the =
Gyr alone and=20
let birders/photographers and the rest of the public enjoy the Gyr =
flying around=20
bandless, knocking mallards out of the&nbsp;sky and ect.. Hey if the Gyr =
does=20
get banded why not snap a&nbsp;green wing tag on it and spray the head=20
black&nbsp;because this is how our Duluth Snowy Owl looks like at the=20
present!!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Michael Hendrickson<BR>Duluth, =
Minnesota<BR><A=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 26, 2007 =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [mnbird] RE: [mou] =
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  Falconer at 180th Street today</DIV>
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  <DIV>I agree with Mark Martell that the falconer was more than likely =
unaware=20
  of the gyr.&nbsp; I have met a falconer, I can't think of his name who =
is=20
  really into kites and flies them any chance he gets.&nbsp; I've met =
him in=20
  Duluth.&nbsp; I've emailed a couple of falconry friends to find out of =
it's=20
  him.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR class=3Dkhtml-block-placeholder></DIV>
  <DIV>As for banding they gyr, I personally would like to see it =
banded.&nbsp;=20
  I would be interested to see if this is in fact the same bird that has =
shown=20
  up for the last four years and a chance to learn where its breeding =
ground=20
  is.&nbsp; Look at the cool information we learned about the =
green-tailed=20
  towhee.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR class=3Dkhtml-block-placeholder></DIV>
  <DIV><BR class=3Dkhtml-block-placeholder></DIV><BR=20
  class=3DApple-interchange-newline></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><BR>
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auto; orphans: 2; widows: 2">
  <DIV>Sharon Stiteler</DIV>
  <DIV>www.birdchick.com</DIV>
  <DIV>Minneapolis, MN</DIV>
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  <DIV>On Jan 26, 2007, at 5:03 PM, MARTELL, Mark wrote:</DIV><BR=20
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    <DIV><SPAN class=3D281475922-26012007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
    size=3D2>The season for trapping birds for falconry closed on Dec =
30.&nbsp; No=20
    trapping technique I am aware of uses a free flying hawk to lure in =
another=20
    hawk. A good way to get your valuable, trained bird=20
    killed.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D281475922-26012007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
    size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D281475922-26012007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I=20
    have no explanation for the kite other than some people use kites =
with food=20
    attached to train their bird to gain altitude.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D281475922-26012007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
    size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D281475922-26012007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I=20
    am guessing this falconer was unaware of the =
gyr.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D281475922-26012007><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
    size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mark Martell</FONT> <BR><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
    size=3D2>Director of Bird Conservation</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial =

    size=3D2>Audubon Minnesota</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>2357 Ventura=20
    Drive #106</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>St. Paul, MN =
55125</FONT>=20
    <BR><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>651-739-9332</FONT> <BR><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
    size=3D2>651-731-1330 (FAX)</FONT> <BR><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><A=20
    href=3D"http://mn.audubon.org/" =
target=3D_blank>http://mn.audubon.org</A></FONT>=20
    </P>
    <P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To donate to Audubon Minnesota =
online, visit our=20
    secure site at </FONT><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>&lt;<A=20
    href=3D"http://mn.audubon.org/support_ways.html"=20
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      Behalf Of </B>jeffbirds<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 26, 2007 =
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      PM<BR><B>To:</B> mnbird; mou<BR><B>Subject:</B> [mou] Fw: Falconer =
at=20
      180th Street today<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jerry Pruett, Chuck Krulas, John =
Hockema, and=20
      I went looking for the good birds that have been appearing in the =
Hastings=20
      region today. Among the birds we searched for was the Gyrfalcon =
that has=20
      been seen around 180th Street. When we stopped at around 2PM we =
noticed an=20
      SUV parked in the field to the south of 180th. I then noticed a =
raptor=20
      flying away from the vehicle. We all got out and watched a falcon =
soar=20
      around the field for a while and then land at the feet of the =
person at=20
      the SUV. It then hopped onto his hand so we assumed that he was a =
falconer=20
      and it was his bird. We then observed him put the bird away and =
begin=20
      flying a kite for a while. We assumed that he must have been =
trying to=20
      attract the wild Gyrfalcon that has regularly been reported as =
being seen=20
      there. Maybe there was some other reason for fly this small falcon =
sized=20
      kite but we couldn' t think of one. So it raises the question as =
to=20
      whether a falconer is legally allowed to trap a wild Gyrfalcon? =
Maybe this=20
      person was also a bander and was trying to lure in the bird to =
band it?=20
      Anyway I guess I would prefer the Gyrfalcon that many have enjoyed =

      watching be left alone. If there is anyone out there that knows =
the=20
      regulations perhaps they would publish an email on the listserve =
about=20
      this subject. I did get the persons license plate if they were =
breaking=20
      any game laws but I don't know anything about the falconer=20
      regulations.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jeff Stephenson<BR>Rochester, Mn, =
Olmsted=20
      County<BR>Phone: 507 289 7635je</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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