[mou] Re: [mnbird] FW: Ornithologists

Thu, 1 Mar 2007 21:39:42 -0600

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I think the true story was that a Pomerine Jaeger was seen flying between
the two states--it was sometime in the 80s.  Kim Eckert and I, and maybe
Mike Hendrickson, wrote it up--Mike drew a picture of the tail.  But the
tail feathers didn't stick out very far, and although they were quite
rounded at the tip, the Wis committee thought it was at least possible that
the feathers had broken off and could have worn in a rounded pattern.  (At
the time, there weren't the books available with such detailed descriptions
as are available now.)  The MOU committee accepted it as a Pomerine, perhaps
influenced at least a bit by Kim's great knowledge and experience with both
species. (Pomerine was a lifer for me.)   At first the Wisconsin committee
counted it as Parasitic, but I believe they changed that to Jaeger spp.

Laura Erickson

On 3/1/07, Mark Mulhollam <mulho005@tc.umn.edu> wrote:
>
> Is the below true or just a good story?
>
> Mark Mulhollam
> Minneapolis, Minnesota
> http://www.tc.umn.edu/~mulho005
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: National Birding Hotline Cooperative (Chat Line)
> [mailto:BIRDCHAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU]On Behalf Of JIM TURNER
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 5:41 PM
> To: BIRDCHAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
> Subject: Rd: Ornithologists
>
>
> I was told this anecdote while birding in Duluth, and cannot vouch for its
> truthfulness.  In any case, my memory would mangle the details worse, and
> my apologies to anyone whose toes get stepped on.  But here goes.
>    It seems that a dark Ibis was seen byt birders in both Duluth and
> Superior, which made at least one pass between Wisconsin and Minnesota, in
> view by all the whole time.  Competent birders disputed whether it was a
> Glossy or a White-faced, and finally agreed on the former, anbd submitted
> their documentation to both states.  Minnesota's Ornithological Society
> disputed it, and on the basis of a single prior sighthing of a White-faced
> at the opposite corner of the state, concluded that it was the second
> state record of a White-faced, .  Wisconsin, being further east, agreed
> that Glossy was more probable, and admitted it as a first state record.
> So the same individual bird, seen at the same time in two states, has now
> become a precedent for future acceptance of records of two different
> species in two different states.
>
>
>    Jim Turner || Traverse City, Michigan || havivoca @ yahoo.com
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Laura Erickson
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There is symbolic as well as actual beauty in the migration of birds.  There
is something infinitely healing in the repeated refrains of nature--the
assurance that dawn comes after night, and spring after the winter.

--Rachel Carson

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I think the true story was that a Pomerine Jaeger was seen flying between the two states--it was sometime in the 80s.&nbsp; Kim Eckert and I, and maybe Mike Hendrickson, wrote it up--Mike drew a picture of the tail.&nbsp; But the tail feathers didn&#39;t stick out very far, and although they were quite rounded at the tip, the Wis committee thought it was at least possible that the feathers had broken off and could have worn in a rounded pattern.&nbsp; (At the time, there weren&#39;t the books available with such detailed descriptions as are available now.)&nbsp; The MOU committee accepted it as a Pomerine, perhaps influenced at least a bit by Kim&#39;s great knowledge and experience with both species. (Pomerine was a lifer for me.)&nbsp;&nbsp; At first the Wisconsin committee counted it as Parasitic, but I believe they changed that to Jaeger spp.
 Laura Erickson <div>On 3/1/07, Mark Mulhollam &lt;<a href="mailto:mulho005@tc.umn.edu">mulho005@tc.umn.edu</a>&gt; wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Is the below true or just a good story? Mark Mulhollam Minneapolis, Minnesota <a href="http://www.tc.umn.edu/~mulho005">http://www.tc.umn.edu/~mulho005</a> -----Original Message----- From: National Birding Hotline Cooperative (Chat Line)
 [mailto:<a href="mailto:BIRDCHAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU">BIRDCHAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU</a>]On Behalf Of JIM TURNER Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 5:41 PM To: <a href="mailto:BIRDCHAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU">BIRDCHAT@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU
</a> Subject: Rd: Ornithologists I was told this anecdote while birding in Duluth, and cannot vouch for its truthfulness.&nbsp;&nbsp;In any case, my memory would mangle the details worse, and my apologies to anyone whose toes get stepped on.&nbsp;&nbsp;But here goes.
 &nbsp;&nbsp; It seems that a dark Ibis was seen byt birders in both Duluth and Superior, which made at least one pass between Wisconsin and Minnesota, in view by all the whole time.&nbsp;&nbsp;Competent birders disputed whether it was a
 Glossy or a White-faced, and finally agreed on the former, anbd submitted their documentation to both states.&nbsp;&nbsp;Minnesota&#39;s Ornithological Society disputed it, and on the basis of a single prior sighthing of a White-faced
 at the opposite corner of the state, concluded that it was the second state record of a White-faced, .&nbsp;&nbsp;Wisconsin, being further east, agreed that Glossy was more probable, and admitted it as a first state record.
 So the same individual bird, seen at the same time in two states, has now become a precedent for future acceptance of records of two different species in two different states. &nbsp;&nbsp; Jim Turner || Traverse City, Michigan || havivoca @ 
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http://lists.mnbird.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mnbird</a> </blockquote></div> -- Laura Erickson <a href="http://www.birderblog.com">www.birderblog.com</a> There is symbolic as well as actual beauty in the migration of birds.&nbsp;&nbsp;There is something infinitely healing in the repeated refrains of nature--the assurance that dawn comes after night, and spring after the winter.
 			--Rachel Carson

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