[mou] Lists
McBride, James E. "Jamie"
jmcbride@minneapolisparks.org
Wed, 10 Dec 2003 14:53:47 -0600
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I have lots of lists,
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books and articles I've read,=20
movies I've seen
checks I've written
cars I've owned
every bird I see everyday and where I saw it (I only list it the first =
time I see the species in that day)
(I've lived all over the continent so I've seen lots of birds)
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Why? I am not certain... I like to look back I guess. This is no game to =
me... It is a habit.=20
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I get excited when I see birds. No matter where they are. All of the =
birds on my list are seen in their natural habitat. =20
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However, I would not want anyone to dismiss the excitement I had at the =
Sonoran Desert Museum passing through the aviary and spying some unusual =
birds to me including various orioles, quail, and tanagers. Or the =
thrill of seeing many species of hummingbird in the hummingbird aviary. =
Finally I saw a Crested Caracara in a cage. I truly beautiful sight. Not =
on my list... but something I will remember a long time.=20
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I like how someone said that not all listers a playing a game. It's =
memories for me. Let's let people keep their personal lists without =
judgment.
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Jamie=20
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Williams [mailto:two-jays@att.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 11:32 AM
To: MOU-net
Subject: Re: [mou] listing game
Polemic -- a controversial discussion.
Obviously true.
The ABA rules, as shown on page 81 of the 2002 ABA listing report, are =
as I described. Interpretations of those rules, the angels dancing on =
the heads of pins, indeed take many more words, at which point much of =
the joy of this pursuit begins to drain away.=20
These hundreds of words, in Minnesota and for the ABA, seek to establish =
guidelines that keep lists within common bounds, on the same playing =
field. What is not and cannot be addressed is the absolute inequality =
inherent in all of the other realities that enter the creation of one's =
lists -- age, physical condition, family responsibility, employment =
situation, free time, and income, to name a few.=20
Thresholds exist for many published lists, including some Minnesota =
lists. To have your state life list published, for example, you must =
have reached an arbitrary number. This ignores the fact that a lesser =
number might well represent greater skill and determination, depending =
upon the life situation of the individual creating the list.=20
The rules are fine for what they do, but they are no more than veneer.
Jim Williams
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D903143620-10122003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
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lots of lists,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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and articles I've read, </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2>movies=20
I've seen</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D903143620-10122003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>checks=20
I've written</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D903143620-10122003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>cars=20
I've owned</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D903143620-10122003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>every=20
bird I see everyday and where I saw it (I only list it the first time I =
see the=20
species in that day)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D903143620-10122003> <FONT =
face=3DArial=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>(I've lived all over the continent so I've seen =
lots of=20
birds)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D903143620-10122003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D903143620-10122003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Why? I=20
am not certain... I like to look back I guess. This is no game to me... =
It is a=20
habit. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D903143620-10122003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D903143620-10122003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>I get=20
excited when I see birds. No matter where they are. All of the =
birds on my=20
list are seen in their natural habitat. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D903143620-10122003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D903143620-10122003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>However, I would not want anyone to dismiss the =
excitement I had at=20
the Sonoran Desert Museum passing through the aviary and spying some =
unusual=20
birds to me including various orioles, quail, and tanagers. Or the =
thrill of=20
seeing many species of hummingbird in the hummingbird aviary. Finally I =
saw a=20
Crested Caracara in a cage. I truly beautiful sight. Not on my =
list... but=20
something I will remember a long time. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D903143620-10122003></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D903143620-10122003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>I like=20
how someone said that not all listers a playing a game. It's =
memories for=20
me. Let's let people keep their personal lists without=20
judgment.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D903143620-10122003></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D903143620-10122003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Jamie</FONT> </SPAN></DIV>
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size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Jim Williams=20
[mailto:two-jays@att.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, December 10, 2003 =
11:32=20
AM<BR><B>To:</B> MOU-net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [mou] listing=20
game<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Polemic -- a controversial=20
discussion.<BR><BR>Obviously true.<BR><BR>The ABA rules, as shown on =
page 81=20
of the 2002 ABA listing report, are as I described. Interpretations of =
those=20
rules, the angels dancing on the heads of pins, indeed take many more =
words,=20
at which point much of the joy of this pursuit begins to drain away.=20
<BR><BR>These hundreds of words, in Minnesota and for the ABA, seek to =
establish guidelines that keep lists within common bounds, on the same =
playing=20
field. What is not and cannot be addressed is the absolute inequality =
inherent=20
in all of the other realities that enter the creation of one's lists =
-- age,=20
physical condition, family responsibility, employment situation, free =
time,=20
and income, to name a few. <BR><BR>Thresholds exist for many published =
lists,=20
including some Minnesota lists. To have your state life list =
published, for=20
example, you must have reached an arbitrary number. This ignores the =
fact that=20
a lesser number might well represent greater skill and determination,=20
depending upon the life situation of the individual creating the list. =
<BR><BR>The rules are fine for what they do, but they are no more than =
veneer.<BR><BR>Jim Williams<BR><BR><BR>
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