[mou] the GUIDELINES business
Houghton, Timothy D.
tdhoughton@stcloudstate.edu
Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:57:23 -0600
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You know, this not so subtly suggested notion that one can't criticize =
the way things are done by the powers within the MOU unless one =
volunteers to work for the MOU--that doesn't make any sense. It's an =
idea that I've heard floated before--generally from people who either =
like everything about the MOU or from people who are inimidated by the =
MOU and, for instance, don't want anyone to question their various =
submitted lists. Last year when the trash collectors were doing a bad =
job picking up my garbage, I called and complained. I was paying them =
for a service--and I didn't think they were doing it well. I didn't =
volunteer to do the trash collecting myself. I'm a paying member of the =
MOU and I can voice my criticisms--and have a good right to do =
so--without having to work for MOU. Perhaps you, Terry, never complain =
about anything unless you want to do that job yourself. But I doubt =
that. And as for being "downright rude and disrespectful"--your motives =
are transparent.
Tim Houghton
-----Original Message-----
From: mou-net-admin@cbs.umn.edu on behalf of Terence Brashear
Sent: Thu 3/25/2004 6:57 PM
To: mou-net@cbs.umn.edu
Cc:=09
Subject: Re: [mou] the GUIDELINES business
I'm going to address this in the open since that is
where it was posted.
Guidelines are just that - something to guide us.=20
This is not about being a control freak, if that was
the case I would have deleted Mike's post since it
ended up being deferred due to being such a long
message. I did not agree with everything Mike said,
but he made some valid points. Mike and I are
friends. I spent enough time with him for him to form
an opinion of me. I respect that.
Christine's message, unlike my original "friendly
reminder" post, and your message Tim are just
downright rude and disrespectful.
If you want to do something constructive, volunteer
your time to the MOU to make it the organization you
wish it to be. Comments like "Making rules, making
limitations, being in charge, etc. etc. etc. ad
nauseum--it makes them feel happy inside. Let's not
make them happy." are counterproductive.
Overall Paul, Dave, Tony and I have let things be
which is the way I like it. I'm not here to be a
control freak, I was asked to participate as a
moderator.
It is a thankless job especially with ungrateful
people getting on a soapbox to vent.
I've typed and deleted a lot of messages today. This
one needed to be sent.
Regards,
Terry
=20
--- "Houghton, Timothy D. "
<tdhoughton@stcloudstate.edu> wrote:
> Personally, I like Hendrickson's long response and
> Conrad's short. They make the most sense to
> me--broad and reasonable.
>=20
> I also sympathize with Christine Olson--she received
> a particular response that was punkish and asinine.
>=20
> There's an anal mentality that likes to limit and
> control. (Understand that I'm not referring to any
> specific individuals--I'm making a general
> observat). It likes power and is easily corrupted.
> It's possible that there are people out there who
> would like to call in Mr. Spock from the Star Trek
> Enterprise and use him as a consultant--toward the
> creation of an enormous rule book with stern and
> inflexible laws governing the MOU listserve. And
> there would be severe penalites for lawbreakers.
> There are people out there who want to dictate
> everything--they want to even tell us what to
> report. If they thought they could get away with it,
> they would even tell us what arguments we are
> allowed to make. Some of them are very sensitive to
> criticism of anything they don't like. They know
> what's right and they know what's wrong. And what
> they they think is right is what we're all supposed
> to believe. Making rules, making limitations, being
> in charge, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum--it makes them
> feel happy inside. Let's not make them happy.
>=20
> Tim Houghton
> (Clear Lake) =20
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>You know, this not so subtly suggested notion that one =
can't criticize the way things are done by the powers within the MOU =
unless one volunteers to work for the MOU--that doesn't make any sense. =
It's an idea that I've heard floated before--generally from people who =
either like everything about the MOU or from people who are inimidated =
by the MOU and, for instance, don't want anyone to question their =
various submitted lists. Last year when the trash collectors were doing =
a bad job picking up my garbage, I called and complained. I was paying =
them for a service--and I didn't think they were doing it well. I didn't =
volunteer to do the trash collecting myself. I'm a paying member of the =
MOU and I can voice my criticisms--and have a good right to do =
so--without having to work for MOU. Perhaps you, Terry, never complain =
about anything unless you want to do that job yourself. But I doubt =
that. And as for being "downright rude and =
disrespectful"--your motives are transparent.<BR>
<BR>
Tim Houghton<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
-----Original Message-----<BR>
From: mou-net-admin@cbs.umn.edu on behalf of Terence =
Brashear<BR>
Sent: Thu 3/25/2004 6:57 PM<BR>
To: mou-net@cbs.umn.edu<BR>
Cc: <BR>
Subject: Re: [mou] the =
GUIDELINES business<BR>
<BR>
I'm going to address this in the open since that is<BR>
where it was posted.<BR>
<BR>
Guidelines are just that - something to guide us.<BR>
This is not about being a control freak, if that was<BR>
the case I would have deleted Mike's post since it<BR>
ended up being deferred due to being such a long<BR>
message. I did not agree with everything Mike said,<BR>
but he made some valid points. Mike and I are<BR>
friends. I spent enough time with him for him to form<BR>
an opinion of me. I respect that.<BR>
<BR>
Christine's message, unlike my original "friendly<BR>
reminder" post, and your message Tim are just<BR>
downright rude and disrespectful.<BR>
<BR>
If you want to do something constructive, volunteer<BR>
your time to the MOU to make it the organization you<BR>
wish it to be. Comments like "Making rules, making<BR>
limitations, being in charge, etc. etc. etc. ad<BR>
nauseum--it makes them feel happy inside. Let's not<BR>
make them happy." are counterproductive.<BR>
<BR>
Overall Paul, Dave, Tony and I have let things be<BR>
which is the way I like it. I'm not here to be a<BR>
control freak, I was asked to participate as a<BR>
moderator.<BR>
<BR>
It is a thankless job especially with ungrateful<BR>
people getting on a soapbox to vent.<BR>
<BR>
I've typed and deleted a lot of messages today. This<BR>
one needed to be sent.<BR>
<BR>
Regards,<BR>
<BR>
Terry<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
--- "Houghton, Timothy D. "<BR>
<tdhoughton@stcloudstate.edu> wrote:<BR>
> Personally, I like Hendrickson's long response and<BR>
> Conrad's short. They make the most sense to<BR>
> me--broad and reasonable.<BR>
><BR>
> I also sympathize with Christine Olson--she received<BR>
> a particular response that was punkish and asinine.<BR>
><BR>
> There's an anal mentality that likes to limit and<BR>
> control. (Understand that I'm not referring to any<BR>
> specific individuals--I'm making a general<BR>
> observat). It likes power and is easily corrupted.<BR>
> It's possible that there are people out there who<BR>
> would like to call in Mr. Spock from the Star Trek<BR>
> Enterprise and use him as a consultant--toward the<BR>
> creation of an enormous rule book with stern and<BR>
> inflexible laws governing the MOU listserve. And<BR>
> there would be severe penalites for lawbreakers.<BR>
> There are people out there who want to dictate<BR>
> everything--they want to even tell us what to<BR>
> report. If they thought they could get away with it,<BR>
> they would even tell us what arguments we are<BR>
> allowed to make. Some of them are very sensitive to<BR>
> criticism of anything they don't like. They know<BR>
> what's right and they know what's wrong. And what<BR>
> they they think is right is what we're all supposed<BR>
> to believe. Making rules, making limitations, being<BR>
> in charge, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum--it makes them<BR>
> feel happy inside. Let's not make them happy.<BR>
><BR>
> Tim Houghton<BR>
> (Clear Lake) <BR>
><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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