[mnbird] Re: [mou] Why two lists?
Tom Thomsen
tomthomsen2@msn.com
Thu, 24 Mar 2005 14:29:27 -0600
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On a related note. I subscribe to MnBird only, and am wondering if I am =
missing notices of bird sightings (especially rare ones) by not =
subscribing to MOU net.
Tom T.=20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Alt, Mark<mailto:Mark.Alt@bestbuy.com>=20
To: MNbird<mailto:mnbird@lists.mnbird.net> ; =
mou-net@biosci.cbs.umn.edu<mailto:mou-net@biosci.cbs.umn.edu>=20
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 9:56 AM
Subject: RE: [mnbird] Re: [mou] Why two lists?
While I respect Steve greatly, I believe he misrepresents the goal of =
MOU-net, yet he may represent very factually the actual usage of =
MOU-net. The MOU wants to function as a conduit for all bird related =
interests in the state and as such, we should welcome and be involved =
with new birders and less than avid birders. We do not strive to =
maintain the elitist image we are saddled with, and we aspire to reach =
out to birders in every way possible. The MOU-net is one way to do that. =
MN Bird is a great list-server and MOU-net grew directly out of it, =
perhaps we can grow back to being more like MN-Bird, but I still feel =
personally, we are better off with 2. The description of MOU-net on the =
web page is changed now to reflect our more general interests. I look =
forward to using both list-servers for a very long time.
Mark Alt=20
MOU President
mark.alt@bestbuy.com=20
C/O J. F. Bell Museum of Natural History=20
University of Minnesota=20
10 Church Street SE=20
Minneapolis, MN 55455-0104=20
MOU.mn.org=20
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From: mnbird-admin@lists.mnbird.net =
[mailto:mnbird-admin@lists.mnbird.net] On Behalf Of Steve Weston
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 1:57 AM
To: cncole@earthlink.net; MNbird
Subject: [mnbird] Re: [mou] Why two lists?
=20
Mou-net is for postings that would be of interest for serious birder. =
I post to MOU-Net sightings of unusual birds, the newsletter and =
meetings of MRVAC (Minnesota River Valley Audubon Chapter), and very =
little else. I post to MNbird any Mou-net post plus posts that might be =
of interest to the wider community of birders. For example I might post =
to MNbird the results of a frog survey and how to recognize the calls of =
the frogs found. These natural observations would not be welcomed and =
would be off topic for MOU-net. While some listers are put off by the =
attempts of the MOU-net to keep the focus narrow and on topic, that is =
the mission of the list serve. New birders should join MN-bird, which =
welcomes inexperienced observations and questions. The posts of those =
birders who choose to join only MOU-net, will be fowarded to MN-bird by =
monitors who watch for such posts of interest.
=20
Steve Weston on Quigley Lake in Eagan=20
sweston2@comcast.net<mailto:sweston2@comcast.net> =20
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Chuck Cole<mailto:cncole@earthlink.net>=20
To: MNbird<mailto:mnbird@lists.mnbird.net> ; =
MOU<mailto:mou-net@cbs.umn.edu>=20
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:43 AM
Subject: [mou] Why two lists?
=20
Seems really silly to have two lists and most folks making double =
posts. Since the double posting seems so regular, the old political =
split or whatever must be quite stale by now. Is there any good reason =
to continue double postings? Why not rig one list to be an active =
standby in case the other one fails? ... or make sure every message =
gets copied so we only need to see them once.
=20
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Chuck =20
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<DIV>On a related note. I subscribe to MnBird only, and am wondering if =
I am=20
missing notices of bird sightings (especially rare ones) by not =
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MOU net.</DIV>
<DIV>Tom T. </DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A=20
title=3Dmailto:Mark.Alt@bestbuy.com =
href=3D"mailto:Mark.Alt@bestbuy.com">Alt,=20
Mark</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dmailto:mnbird@lists.mnbird.net=20
href=3D"mailto:mnbird@lists.mnbird.net">MNbird</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dmailto:mou-net@biosci.cbs.umn.edu=20
=
href=3D"mailto:mou-net@biosci.cbs.umn.edu">mou-net@biosci.cbs.umn.edu</A>=
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, March 24, 2005 =
9:56=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [mnbird] Re: [mou] =
Why two=20
lists?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">While I =
respect Steve=20
greatly, I believe he misrepresents the goal of MOU-net, yet he may =
represent=20
very factually the actual usage of MOU-net. The MOU wants to function =
as a=20
conduit for all bird related interests in the state and as such, we =
should=20
welcome and be involved with new birders and less than avid birders. =
We do not=20
strive to maintain the elitist image we are saddled with, and we =
aspire to=20
reach out to birders in every way possible. The MOU-net is one way to =
do=20
that. MN Bird is a great list-server and MOU-net grew directly =
out of=20
it, perhaps we can grow back to being more like MN-Bird, but I still =
feel=20
personally, we are better off with 2. The description of MOU-net on =
the web=20
page is changed now to reflect our more general interests. I look =
forward to=20
using both list-servers for a very long =
time.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century =
Gothic'">Mark=20
Alt</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3Dnavy><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: navy"> =
<BR>MOU=20
President<BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3D"Century Gothic" color=3Dnavy =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: 'Century =
Gothic'">mark.alt@bestbuy.com</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
color=3Dnavy><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: navy"> <BR>C/O J. F. Bell Museum of =
Natural=20
History <BR>University of <st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:State=20
w:st=3D"on">Minnesota</st1:State></st1:place> <BR>10 <st1:address=20
w:st=3D"on"><st1:Street w:st=3D"on">Church Street SE</st1:Street> =
<BR><st1:City=20
w:st=3D"on">Minneapolis</st1:City>, <st1:State =
w:st=3D"on">MN</st1:State>=20
<st1:PostalCode w:st=3D"on">55455-0104</st1:PostalCode></st1:address>=20
<BR>MOU.mn.org <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
face=3DTahoma size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Tahoma">=20
mnbird-admin@lists.mnbird.net [mailto:mnbird-admin@lists.mnbird.net] =
<B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B><st1:PersonName=20
w:st=3D"on">Steve Weston</st1:PersonName><BR><B><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thursday, March 24, 2005 =
1:57=20
AM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> =
cncole@earthlink.net;=20
MNbird<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> =
[mnbird] Re:=20
[mou] Why two lists?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Mou-net is for postings that =
would be of=20
interest for serious birder. I post to MOU-Net sightings of =
unusual=20
birds, the newsletter and meetings of MRVAC (Minnesota River =
Valley=20
Audubon Chapter), and very little else. I post to MNbird any =
Mou-net=20
post plus posts that might be of interest to the wider community of=20
birders. For example I might post to MNbird the results of a =
frog survey=20
and how to recognize the calls of the frogs found. =
These=20
natural observations would not be welcomed and would be off topic for=20
MOU-net. While some listers are put off by the attempts of the =
MOU-net=20
to keep the focus narrow and on topic, that is the mission of the list =
serve. New birders should join MN-bird, which=20
welcomes inexperienced observations and questions. The =
posts=20
of those birders who choose to join only MOU-net, will be fowarded to =
MN-bird=20
by monitors who watch for such posts of=20
interest.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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w:st=3D"on"><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">Steve=20
Weston</SPAN></FONT></st1:PersonName> on <st1:PlaceName=20
w:st=3D"on">Quigley</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType=20
w:st=3D"on">Lake</st1:PlaceType> in <st1:City w:st=3D"on"><st1:place=20
w:st=3D"on">Eagan</st1:place></st1:City> <BR><A=20
title=3Dmailto:sweston2@comcast.net=20
href=3D"mailto:sweston2@comcast.net">sweston2@comcast.net</A> =20
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<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; MARGIN-LEFT: =
0.5in"><B><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> <A=20
title=3Dmailto:cncole@earthlink.net =
href=3D"mailto:cncole@earthlink.net">Chuck=20
Cole</A> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">To:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> <A=20
title=3Dmailto:mnbird@lists.mnbird.net=20
href=3D"mailto:mnbird@lists.mnbird.net">MNbird</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dmailto:mou-net@cbs.umn.edu =
href=3D"mailto:mou-net@cbs.umn.edu">MOU</A>=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Sent:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">=20
Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:43 =
AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial">Subject:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
Arial"> [mou]=20
Why two lists?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT =
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size=3D3><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Seems really silly to =
have two=20
lists and most folks making double posts. Since the double =
posting=20
seems so regular, the old political split or whatever must be quite =
stale by=20
now. Is there any good reason to continue double =
postings? Why=20
not rig one list to be an active standby in case the other one =
fails? =20
... or make sure every message gets copied so we only need to see =
them=20
once.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<DIV>
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