[mou] Today and tomorrow
Bob Messersmith
bmessersmith@comcast.net
Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:34:21 -0600
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I am one of those silent non-expert birders Steve talked about; I bird, =
read the list daily and volunteer to do my shift at the state fair each =
year. I enjoy looking at birds. Plain and simple.
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When I read Mike's first message I felt he was over reacting by threaten =
to quit as the trip organizer but respected his right to petition the =
group to rectify what he believed was a injustice. The threat was a =
little heavy but I also felt the e-mail must have been written with =
emotion overcoming his common sense and people would understand that and =
forgive him for being too passionate.=20
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As President, I am sure Mark has the right to terminate-ask for the =
resignation - of any committee chair but I have to ask myself was that =
the best way to handle this situation? Are we better off without Mike =
then with him? I think not but that is my opinion as an outsider looking =
in.=20
=20
As an outsider reading this list, I believe some of us take bird =
watching way too seriously. This is a hobby to me and a form of =
recreation. When people get hurt (emotionally or otherwise) over a =
hobby, I think we have to think again about our priorities.=20
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I support Mark's right to fire a committee chair but I do not believe =
that was the proper course to take to take in this case.=20
Bob
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Steve Morrison=20
To: MOU-Net=20
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 10:04 AM
Subject: RE: [mou] Today and tomorrow
Mike doesn't know me but since this was all made public I feel it's =
okay to comment. Ban me if you will.
Ok, yeah Mike probably overreacted by threatening to step down and =
Mark Alt probably overreacted by delivering his ultimatum. I think =
things could have been dealt with in a manner where the MOU didn't lose =
a dedicated volunteer with some chutzpah and Mike didn't lose one (I =
assume fun) outlet for his dedication to MN birding.
This got me to thinking about the MOU and my opinions concerning it. =
As is the case with any organization It does some things well and others =
not so well. =20
The good things include:
a.. The basic birding info and a superb website=20
b.. An overall good "rare" bird list serve (see below)=20
c.. Decent selection of field trips=20
d.. Good publications
=20
The poor things include:
a.. Handling it's image ( sorry people it comes off as a rather =
stodgy, corporate, elitist organization) Hey if I want to worry about =
protocol all the time I can go to work.=20
b.. Being accepting of and encouraging non-expert birders (I've =
heard people are reluctant to post as they are unsure of the worthiness =
of their sighting).=20
c.. Being essentially a non-voice in the conservation arena- (The =
MOU doesn't have to and doesn't even want to be another Audubon but =
glorifying driving buku miles to see buku birds in one year while being =
silent on so many other things affecting MN birds is in my view =
ethically questionable)
So I am disappointed because I think the MOU lost a good enthusiastic =
trip leader. I am also disappointed about the way leadership allegedly =
handled things. The MOU isn't corporate America and things would be =
better if people put things in perspective, talked and patched things =
up. =20
Steve Morrison
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From: mou-net-admin@cbs.umn.edu [mailto:mou-net-admin@cbs.umn.edu] On =
Behalf Of jbaumann@usfamily.net
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 8:31 AM
To: MOU-Net
Subject: Re: [mou] Today and tomorrow
I think BOTH of you are behaving rather childishly. If Mark is =
threatened by Mike's threat, you are no different than two boys on a =
playground - one blustering and one bullying - all because they can.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Mike Hendrickson=20
To: MOU-Net=20
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 12:54 AM
Subject: [mou] Today and tomorrow
Today I stood up for a friend name Leo Lantz who was banned from the =
MOU-Net listserv for an honest mistake he made. Leo since been added =
back on the listserv and Leo credited me for doing so. The MOU =
president Mark Alt called me this morning and ask that I step down as =
the MOU field trip position because I threaten to quit if Leo did not =
get apology and put back on the listserv. I know that was immature of me =
in doing so but I did not want to be part of an organization that =
refuses to forgive people over simple mistakes such as the one Leo =
committed. Leo nor should anyone be place on a moderator's list because =
the poster accidentally sent a non bird topic to the listserv.=20
I refused to quit and Mark gave me two options 1. go thru a =
transition and step down quietly or 2) be immediately released. I told =
Mark " I am not quitting". So Mark Alt told me he is going to approach =
the MOU board an advise them to remove me from my position. A few =
minutes ago Mark Alt told me tonight he has basically removed me from my =
position and as president he can do so - I guess.
So I am not the MOU field trip chairman anymore. Remember 3 or 4 =
years ago all the MOU trips I created and how happy everyone was with =
these trips? All this was taken away from me because I stood up for a =
friend. Some say I am to emotional or to quick with my anger. Maybe =
they are right about that. I defend my friends, I am not afraid to speak =
out on matters that mean a lot to me such as the logging going on in Sax =
Zim Bog. I am not afraid to speak out when others are spinning the =
truth. I call a spade a spade when I see one! That is who I am. I got =
some emails today encouraging me to hang in there and some agreeing with =
me. I got an email from Rick Hoyme telling me to "grow up". Maybe so =
but not defending a friend who made an honest mistake and standing by =
doing nothing is more grown up? Should I act childish and rant and rave =
to everyone about all the logging going on in Sax Zim Bog or should act =
mature or " grown up" and hush up about what is going up there?
What now?
The Lake Superior Pelagic Trips belong to me and I will continue to =
run these trips. Mark Alt during our phone conversation agree that if I =
get removed from the board these trips are mind to run and to organized. =
All other trips are up in the air and I think Al Shirmacher is going to =
replace me. Al is a great guy and should do a great job for the MOU and =
I ask that you all support him if he is asked by Mark Alt to take that =
position. Mark was already talking to Al about field trips after he =
phoned me and notified my future with the MOU.
Me? Going to do what some of my critics have been telling me -- " =
disappear" or " go away" and that is what I am going to do.
Michael Hendrickson
Duluth, Minnesota
Minnesota Birding Treks
http://webpages.charter.net/mmhendrickson/
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I am one of those silent =
non-expert=20
birders Steve talked about; I bird, read the list daily and volunteer to =
do my=20
shift at the state fair each year. I enjoy looking at birds. Plain =
and=20
simple.</SPAN><?xml:namespace prefix =3D o ns =3D=20
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">When I read Mike's first =
message I=20
felt he was over reacting by threaten to quit as the trip organizer but=20
respected his right to petition the group to rectify what he believed =
was a=20
injustice. The threat was a little heavy but I also felt the e-mail must =
have=20
been written with emotion overcoming his common sense and people would=20
understand that and forgive him for being too passionate. =
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<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">As President, I am sure =
Mark has the=20
right to terminate-ask for the resignation - of any committee chair =
but I=20
have to ask myself was that the best way to handle this situation? Are =
we better=20
off without Mike then with him? I think not but that is my opinion as an =
outsider looking in. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: =
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style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">As an outsider reading =
this list, I=20
believe some of us take bird watching way too seriously. This is a =
hobby to=20
me and a form of recreation. When people get hurt (emotionally or =
otherwise)=20
over a hobby, I think we have to think again about our priorities.=20
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN=20
style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I support Mark=92s right =
to fire a=20
committee chair but I do not believe that was the proper course to take =
<SPAN=20
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>to take in this case. =
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Arial">Bob</SPAN><o:p></o:p></P></FONT><FONT=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3DSMORRISON@ucare.org =
href=3D"mailto:SMORRISON@ucare.org">Steve=20
Morrison</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dmou-net@cbs.umn.edu=20
href=3D"mailto:mou-net@cbs.umn.edu">MOU-Net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 24, 2006 =
10:04=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [mou] Today and=20
tomorrow</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D527013614-24022006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Mike=20
doesn't know me but since this was all made public I feel it's =
okay to=20
comment. Ban me if you will.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D527013614-24022006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D527013614-24022006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Ok,=20
yeah <SPAN class=3D376034415-24022006>Mike</SPAN> probably =
overreacted by=20
threatening to step down and Mark Alt <SPAN=20
class=3D376034415-24022006>probably </SPAN>overreacted by delivering =
his=20
ultimatum. I think things could have been dealt with in a manner =
where=20
the MOU didn't lose a dedicated volunteer with some chutzpah =
and <SPAN=20
class=3D376034415-24022006>Mike </SPAN>didn't lose one <SPAN =
class=3D376034415-24022006>(I assume fun) </SPAN>outlet for <SPAN =
class=3D376034415-24022006>his </SPAN>dedication to MN=20
birding.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D527013614-24022006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D527013614-24022006><FONT face=3DArial><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
size=3D2><SPAN class=3D376034415-24022006>This got me to thinking =
about=20
the </SPAN>MOU <SPAN class=3D376034415-24022006>and my =
opinions=20
concerning it. As is the case with any organization It does some =
things=20
well and oth</SPAN>ers not so well. =
</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D527013614-24022006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D527013614-24022006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D527013614-24022006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>The=20
g<SPAN class=3D376034415-24022006>ood</SPAN> things =
include:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<UL>
<LI><SPAN class=3D527013614-24022006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>The=20
basic birding info and a superb website</FONT></SPAN>=20
<LI><SPAN class=3D527013614-24022006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2> An overall good "rare" bird list serve (see=20
below)</FONT></SPAN>=20
<LI><SPAN class=3D527013614-24022006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2> Decent selection of field trips</FONT></SPAN>=20
<LI><SPAN class=3D527013614-24022006><SPAN =
class=3D376034415-24022006><FONT=20
face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Good=20
publications</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></LI></UL>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D527013614-24022006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2> </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D527013614-24022006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D527013614-24022006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D527013614-24022006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D527013614-24022006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>The=20
poor things include:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D527013614-24022006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<UL>
<LI><SPAN class=3D527013614-24022006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Handling it's image ( sorry people it comes off =
as a rather=20
stodgy, corporate, elitist organization) Hey if I want to =
worry=20
about protocol all the time I can go to work.</FONT></SPAN>=20
<LI><SPAN class=3D527013614-24022006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
size=3D2>Being accepting of and encouraging non-expert birders (I've =
heard=20
people are reluctant to post as <SPAN =
class=3D376034415-24022006>they=20
</SPAN>are unsure of the worthiness of their=20
sighting).</FONT></SPAN>=20
<LI><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D527013614-24022006>Being essentially a non-voice in the =
conservation=20
arena- (The MOU doesn't have to and doesn't even want to =
be=20
another Audubon but glorifying driving buku miles to see buku birds =
in one=20
year while being silent on so many other things affecting MN =
birds is=20
in my view ethically questionable)</SPAN></FONT></LI></UL>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D527013614-24022006></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D527013614-24022006>So I=20
am disappointed because I think the MOU lost a good enthusiastic =
trip=20
leader. I am also disappointed about the way leadership =
allegedly=20
handled things. The MOU isn't corporate America and =
things=20
would be better if people put things in perspective, talked and =
patched=20
things up. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D527013614-24022006></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D527013614-24022006></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D527013614-24022006><SPAN class=3D376034415-24022006>Steve=20
Morrison</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> mou-net-admin@cbs.umn.edu=20
[mailto:mou-net-admin@cbs.umn.edu] <B>On Behalf Of=20
</B>jbaumann@usfamily.net<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 24, 2006 =
8:31=20
AM<BR><B>To:</B> MOU-Net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [mou] Today and=20
tomorrow<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>I think BOTH of you are behaving rather childishly. If =
Mark is=20
threatened by Mike's threat, you are no different than two boys on a=20
playground - one blustering and one bullying - all because =
<STRONG>they=20
can</STRONG>.</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dsmithville4@charter.net =
href=3D"mailto:smithville4@charter.net">Mike=20
Hendrickson</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dmou-net@cbs.umn.edu=20
href=3D"mailto:mou-net@cbs.umn.edu">MOU-Net</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 24, =
2006 12:54=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [mou] Today and =
tomorrow</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Today I stood up for a =
friend name=20
Leo Lantz who was banned from the MOU-Net listserv for an honest =
mistake he=20
made. Leo since been added back on the listserv and Leo =
credited me=20
for doing so. The MOU president Mark Alt called me this =
morning and=20
ask that I step down as the MOU field trip position because I =
threaten to=20
quit if Leo did not get apology and put back on the listserv. I know =
that=20
was immature of me in doing so but I did not want to be part of an=20
organization that refuses to forgive people over simple mistakes =
such as the=20
one Leo committed. Leo nor should anyone be place on a=20
moderator's list because the poster accidentally sent a non =
bird topic=20
to the listserv. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>I refused to quit and =
Mark gave me=20
two options 1. go thru a transition and step down quietly or 2) be=20
immediately released. I told Mark " I am not quitting". So =
Mark=20
Alt told me he is going to approach the MOU board an =
advise them=20
to remove me from my position. A few minutes ago Mark Alt told me =
tonight he=20
has basically removed me from my position and =
as president he=20
can do so - I guess.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>So I am not the MOU =
field trip=20
chairman anymore. Remember 3 or 4 years ago all the MOU trips =
I=20
created and how happy everyone was with these trips? All this =
was=20
taken away from me because I stood up for a friend. Some =
say I am=20
to emotional or to quick with my anger. Maybe they are=20
right about that. I defend my friends, I am not afraid to speak =
out=20
on matters that mean a lot to me such as the logging going on =
in Sax=20
Zim Bog. I am not afraid to speak out when others are spinning =
the=20
truth. I call a spade a spade when I see one! That is =
who I=20
am. I got some emails today encouraging me to hang in there =
and some=20
agreeing with me. I got an email from Rick Hoyme telling me to =
"grow=20
up". Maybe so but not defending a friend who made an =
honest=20
mistake and standing by doing nothing is more grown =
up? Should I=20
act childish and rant and rave to everyone about all the =
logging going=20
on in Sax Zim Bog or should act mature or " grown up" and hush up =
about what=20
is going up there?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>What now?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>The Lake Superior Pelagic =
Trips belong to me and I will continue to run these =
trips. =20
Mark Alt during our phone conversation agree that if I get =
removed from=20
the board these trips are mind to run and to =
organized. All other=20
trips are up in the air and I think Al Shirmacher is going to =
replace=20
me. Al is a great guy and should do a great job for the MOU =
and I ask=20
that you all support him if he is asked by Mark Alt to take =
that=20
position. Mark was already talking to Al about field trips after he =
phoned=20
me and notified my future with the MOU.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2> Me? Going to =
do what some=20
of my critics have been telling me -- " disappear" or " go away" and =
that is=20
what I am going to do.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D2>Michael =
Hendrickson<BR>Duluth,=20
Minnesota<BR>Minnesota Birding Treks<BR><A=20
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href=3D"http://webpages.charter.net/mmhendrickson/">http://webpages.chart=
er.net/mmhendrickson/</A></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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